dimitris108

Hi guys do you have a patch that can triger MIDI?

i-am-looking-for-a-jitter-patch-that-can-triger-midi

The tutorial 2 the camera doesnt triger MIDI.

I want something that works like Theremin with the camera.

The tutorial 2 the camera doesnt triger MIDI.
I want something that works like Theremin with the camera.


> I want something that works like Theremin with the camera.

it should get you started if you re not familiar with motion 

detection using a video camera and the help files are pretty complete.

look at the cv.jit lib.
it should get you started if you re not familiar with motion  
detection using a video camera and the help files are pretty complete.

I think that we work differently. Is easy to say ok you are poor so go and study get a degree get a job and car e.t.c.

But the reality is that I just got Jitter and I want to do something with it so I need some help if this forum is not helpful in the sense that I am asking for help and the some people post me the patches and some other people acting like read the tutorials.

Do you really think that the tutorials for Max/Msp Jitter are understandable completely?

Do you think by studying the tutorials you dont need to go to school or ask help from people? If you claim the above that means the forum is useless.

Anyway something is also going on with my new Mac intel laptop and the built-in isight camera and Jitter I think although I am not sure yet.

Guys,
I think that we work differently. Is easy to say ok you are poor so go and study get a degree get a job and car e.t.c.
But the reality is that I just got Jitter and I want to do something with it so I need some help if this forum is not helpful in the sense that I am asking for help and the some people post me the patches and some other people acting like read the tutorials.

Anyway something is also going on with my new Mac intel laptop and the built-in isight camera and Jitter I think although I am not sure yet.


>I think that we work differently. Is easy to say ok you are poor so 

>go and study get a degree get a job and car e.t.c.

I don't think that anyone intends you any disrespect, but it is more

customary for someone who makes a request like yours to be

asked about whether or not they have looked at the tutorials

enough that the solutions or advice that people give you will

make sense. It isn't customary for people to just show up out of

the blue and ask for reasonably complex or idiosyncratic things.

The advice about looking at specific tutorials was a gesture of

respect. The poster assumed that if you are as familiar with Max

as you initially claimed to be, then you should have no trouble

extracting data from a Jitter matrix, grabbing a portion of that

matrix, and then formatting it as you would format ANY sort of

MIDI message [which is about as standard a thing to do with

Perhaps you'll find that you receive better answers if you

share the patch you're working on and ask more basic implementation

>But the reality is that I just got Jitter and I want to do something 

>with it so I need some help if this forum is not helpful in the 

>sense that I am asking for help and the some people post me the 

>patches and some other people acting like read the tutorials.

>Do you really think that the tutorials for Max/Msp Jitter are 

Yes. It's how I learned it. It, along with the examples files that

come with Max/MSP/Jitter is almost always the FIRST place to

>Do you think by studying the tutorials you dont need to go to school 

Not necessarily, but it's much more likely that you will be able

to ask more specific questions, and get answers that will be

> If you claim the above that means the forum is useless.

I wouldn't say that - you're asking someone to do something

for you, and some of those people are trying to discover how

much you know in order to answer your question better. If you're

asking someone else to do something that you don't wish to

expend the effort to learn about for yourself, that would be a

different matter. But I don't think you are doing that.

Do you know anything at all about how to format (pack/unpack)

Max messages? Do you know how Max deals with MIDI? If not,

take a look at the Fundamentals manual section on messages -

Do you know about how Jitter deals with matrices - they're just

data sets you can unroll and slice up in all kinds of ways. If you

don't, then start with "What is a matrix?" in the Jitter tutorial.

Tutorial 21 will tell you how to work with things like iSights.

Of course, what jit.qt.grab grabs is an ordinary matrix, so

there's nothing particularly exotic about that. It's just numbers.

Do you want to extract data from a matrix? Well, you could look at the

jit.3m object, or you could look at the jit.submatrix object and use

it to grab rows or columns of data and use something like jit.spill

to unroll that into a list you can hack to pieces to your heart's

content [assuming you're familiar with basic Max].

There you go. Places to start, and places to go if you don't know

where to start. And that is so darned general that there are a

squillion possible things you could do and places to go.

on the floor there's a long wooden table/on the table there's an open book/

on the page there's a detailed drawing/and on the drawing is the name I took

>Guys,
>I think that we work differently. Is easy to say ok you are poor so 
>go and study get a degree get a job and car e.t.c.

I don't think that anyone intends you any disrespect, but it is more
customary for someone who makes a request like yours to be
asked about whether or not they have looked at the tutorials
enough that the solutions or advice that people give you will
make sense. It isn't customary for people to just show up out of
the blue and ask for reasonably complex or idiosyncratic things.

The advice about looking at specific tutorials was a gesture of
respect. The poster assumed that if you are as familiar with Max
as you initially claimed to be, then you should have no trouble
extracting data from a Jitter matrix, grabbing a portion of that
matrix, and then formatting it as you would format ANY sort of
MIDI message [which is about as standard a thing to do with
Max as you can.

Perhaps you'll find that you receive better answers if you
share the patch you're working on and ask more basic implementation
questions.

>But the reality is that I just got Jitter and I want to do something 
>with it so I need some help if this forum is not helpful in the 
>sense that I am asking for help and the some people post me the 
>patches and some other people acting like read the tutorials.
>
>Do you really think that the tutorials for Max/Msp Jitter are 
>understandable completely?

Yes. It's how I learned it. It, along with the examples files that
come with Max/MSP/Jitter is almost always the FIRST place to
look for answers.

>
>Do you think by studying the tutorials you dont need to go to school 
>or ask help from people?

Not necessarily, but it's much more likely that you will be able
to ask more specific questions, and get answers that will be
more generally useful to you.

>  If you claim the above that means the forum is useless.

I wouldn't say that - you're asking someone to do something
for you, and some of those people are trying to discover how
much you know in order to answer your question better. If you're
asking someone else to do something that you don't wish to
expend the effort to learn about for yourself, that would be a
different matter. But I don't think you are doing that.

Do you know anything at all about how to format (pack/unpack)
Max messages? Do you know how Max deals with MIDI? If not,
take a look at the Fundamentals manual section on messages -
ints, floats, lists.

Do you know about how Jitter deals with matrices - they're just
data sets you can unroll and slice up in all kinds of ways. If you
don't, then start with "What is a matrix?" in the Jitter tutorial.

Tutorial 21 will tell you how to work with things like iSights.
Of course, what jit.qt.grab grabs is an ordinary matrix, so
there's nothing particularly exotic about that. It's just numbers.

Do you want to extract data from a matrix? Well, you could look at the
jit.3m object, or you could look at the jit.submatrix object and use
it to grab rows or columns of data and use something like jit.spill
to unroll that into a list you can hack to pieces to your heart's
content [assuming you're familiar with basic Max].

There you go. Places to start, and places to go if you don't know
where to start. And that is so darned general that there are a
squillion possible things you could do and places to go.

Is that better?
-- 
on the floor there's a long wooden table/on the table there's an open book/
on the page there's a detailed drawing/and on the drawing is the name I took
Gregory Taylor http://www.rtqe.net


If its any consolation, I basically taught myself Max and Jitter and 

the basics of MSP from the tutorials and reverse engineering Joshua 

Goldbergs Dervish. All people expect here is that you do some of the 

If its any consolation, I basically taught myself Max and Jitter and  
the basics of MSP from the tutorials and reverse engineering Joshua  
Goldbergs Dervish. All people expect here is that you do some of the  
hard work yourself.

I try all these tutorials and I can triger MIDI yet.

Jesus said: "...don't give them fish, teach them how to fish..." :-)

"La peinture ne saisira le mystère de la réalité que si le peintre 

Le 27 déc. 06 à 05:01, Dimitris Lambrianos a écrit :

> I think that we work differently. Is easy to say ok you are poor so 

> go and study get a degree get a job and car e.t.c.

> But the reality is that I just got Jitter and I want to do 

> something with it so I need some help if this forum is not helpful 

> in the sense that I am asking for help and the some people post me 

> the patches and some other people acting like read the tutorials.

> Do you really think that the tutorials for Max/Msp Jitter are 

> Do you think by studying the tutorials you dont need to go to 

> school or ask help from people? If you claim the above that means 

> Anyway something is also going on with my new Mac intel laptop and 

> the built-in isight camera and Jitter I think although I am not 

Jesus said:  "...don't give them fish, teach them how to fish..." :-)

"La peinture ne saisira le mystère de la réalité que si le peintre  
ne sait pas comment s'y prendre.

>
> Guys,
> I think that we work differently. Is easy to say ok you are poor so  
> go and study get a degree get a job and car e.t.c.
> But the reality is that I just got Jitter and I want to do  
> something with it so I need some help if this forum is not helpful  
> in the sense that I am asking for help and the some people post me  
> the patches and some other people acting like read the tutorials.
>
> Do you really think that the tutorials for Max/Msp Jitter are  
> understandable completely?
>
> Do you think by studying the tutorials you dont need to go to  
> school or ask help from people? If you claim the above that means  
> the forum is useless.
>
> Anyway something is also going on with my new Mac intel laptop and  
> the built-in isight camera and Jitter I think although I am not  
> sure yet.
> --
> http://www.dimitrislambrianos.com/
>


I see many French versions of Jesus here.

On 27 Dec 2006, at 09:18, Dimitris Lambrianos wrote:

> I see many French versions of Jesus here.

> I see many French versions of Jesus here.
>
> God bless you.
>

> --
> http://www.dimitrislambrianos.com/


try this, it makes sound on the start on my macbook pro.

and just to add some few words to this discussion, giving a hand to 

help someone who begins to learn something new IS NOT anti pedagogic.

On 27 Dec 2006, at 09:05, Dimitris Lambrianos wrote:

> I try all these tutorials and I can triger MIDI yet.

and just to add some few words to this discussion, giving a hand to  
help someone who begins to learn something new IS NOT anti pedagogic.

>
> I try all these tutorials and I can triger MIDI yet.
>
> Something wrong with me.
> --
> http://www.dimitrislambrianos.com/


Thank you this is really good and it works finally.

On 27 Dec 2006, at 10:51, Dimitris Lambrianos wrote:

yes, this morning after drinking my coffee.

the help file of jit.scissors says "the maximum number of rows and 

columns is 16. for finer resolution you should nest multiple 

it means to make slighter columns you need to connect several 

for example if you connect one [jit.scissors @columns 16] to each 

outlet of a first [jit.scissors @columns 8], 16 * 8 = 128 is greater 

than 7 * 12 = 84, so you'll have more than 7 octaves.

try using sub patchers or you risk a finger osteoarthritis

> Did you create that?
yes, this morning after drinking my coffee.

> How can I extend this to 7 octaves?
the help file of jit.scissors says "the maximum number of rows and  
columns is 16. for finer resolution you should nest multiple  
jit.scissors objects"
it means to make slighter columns you need to connect several  
jit.scissors in a row.
for example if you connect one [jit.scissors @columns 16] to each  
outlet of a first [jit.scissors @columns 8], 16 * 8 = 128 is greater  
than 7 * 12 = 84, so you'll have more than 7 octaves.
try using sub patchers or you risk a finger osteoarthritis

> I am very thankful to you.
that pleases me.

On 27 Dec 2006, at 09:42, yacine sebti wrote:

> try this, it makes sound on the start on my macbook pro.

> and just to add some few words to this discussion, giving a hand to 

> help someone who begins to learn something new IS NOT anti pedagogic.

I was lurking before but I will give my 2cts here. Yacine, your patch 

is cool, thanks for sharing. But who said helping was anti-pedagogic?

Maybe you did not read earlier posts but all replies were standard 

and helpful. What is wrong with asking someone for their basic patch 

to evaluate where they are at? in this way people can help better. 

What is wrong with recommending the study of tutorials? if anything, 

demanding that people send you their patches without giving any info 

about your project/specs is what raises an issue here, don't you think?

If the question had been: 'I am on a mac xyz, system xyz and can get 

no midi output into the au xxx synth by using a jit.grab etc, etc' 

then the person will get more specific replies.

Research in learning and teaching has found that people learn by 

doing; not by being told the answer, anyway.

> try this, it makes sound on the start on my macbook pro.
>
> and just to add some few words to this discussion, giving a hand to  
> help someone who begins to learn something new IS NOT anti pedagogic.
>
> //yac
>

I was lurking before but I will give my 2cts here. Yacine, your patch  
is cool, thanks for sharing. But who said helping was anti-pedagogic?

Maybe you did not read earlier posts but all replies were standard  
and helpful. What is wrong with asking someone for their basic patch  
to evaluate where they are at? in this way people can help better.  
What is wrong with recommending the study of tutorials? if anything,  
demanding that people send you their patches without giving any info  
about your project/specs is what raises an issue here, don't you think?

If the question had been: 'I am on a mac xyz, system xyz and can get  
no midi output into the au xxx synth by using a jit.grab etc, etc'  
then the person will get more specific replies.

Research in learning and teaching has found that people learn by  
doing; not by being told the answer, anyway.

> Maybe you did not read earlier posts but all replies were standard 

> What is wrong with asking someone for their basic patch to evaluate 

> where they are at?What is wrong with recommending the study of 

> tutorials? if anything, demanding that people send you their 

> patches without giving any info about your project/specs is what 

Dimitris told where he was at : the very beging where you go thru 

jitter tutorials scratching the top your head and having no idea 

jitter is nothing but soft. you need a certain knowledge to get 

things going at the begging unless you want to use jit.xfade to mix 

> If the question had been: 'I am on a mac xyz, system xyz and can 

> get no midi output into the au xxx synth by using a jit.grab etc, 

> etc' then the person will get more specific replies.

basically, everything is there he has a macbook pro (which means 

recent osx and max/jit), his intention was to build "something that 

works like Theremin with the camera", and his patch was empty except 

the jit.qt.grab at the top and the noteout at the bottom.

> Research in learning and teaching has found that people learn by 

> doing; not by being told the answer, anyway.

I can tell you I am definitely aware of that.

but communicating and sharing knowledge is also what made us who we are.

I learned a lot on my own and hopefully I still do, but I also went 

to some few workshops where I had the chance to meet people who knew 

more and better than me and that saved me a lot of time and energy.

I also keep a wide eye on the patches posted on this list and the 

archives of the forum often save me when I'm stuck.

but on top of all, I love to help, especially if it only takes me 15'.

I spent more time answering you than making the patch for Dimitris.

> Maybe you did not read earlier posts but all replies were standard  
> and helpful.
do you mean the jesus quote contest?

> What is wrong with asking someone for their basic patch to evaluate  
> where they are at?What is wrong with recommending the study of  
> tutorials? if anything, demanding that people send you their  
> patches without giving any info about your project/specs is what  
> raises an issue here, don't you think?

Dimitris told where he was at : the very beging where you go thru  
jitter tutorials scratching the top your head and having no idea  
where to start.
jitter is nothing but soft. you need a certain knowledge to get  
things going at the begging unless you want to use jit.xfade to mix  
to quicktime movies.

>  If the question had been: 'I am on a mac xyz, system xyz and can  
> get no midi output into the au xxx synth by using a jit.grab etc,  
> etc' then the person will get more specific replies.

basically, everything is there he has a macbook pro (which means  
recent osx and max/jit), his intention was to build "something that  
works like Theremin with the camera", and his patch was empty except  
the jit.qt.grab at the top and the noteout at the bottom.

> Research in learning and teaching has found that people learn by  
> doing; not by being told the answer, anyway.

I can tell you I am definitely aware of that.
but communicating and sharing knowledge is also what made us who we are.
I learned a lot on my own and hopefully I still do, but I also went  
to some few workshops where I had the chance to meet people who knew  
more and better than me and that saved me a lot of time and energy.
I also keep a wide eye on the patches posted on this list and the  
archives of the forum often save me when I'm stuck.

but on top of all, I love to help, especially if it only takes me 15'.
I spent more time answering you than making the patch for Dimitris.

On this topic, I want to say that I just participated in a really good Jitter class taught by Josh Goldberg. We were playing with some CV things, and ended up doing something similar to what YAC posted above, but rather than using jit.scissors, we used poly~ to grid the input into a variable number of submatrices. The technique works rather nicely until you try to get too many instances of the poly~ going. But for something like an 8 x 8 grid, it works very well.

On this topic, I want to say that I just participated in a really good Jitter class taught by Josh Goldberg.  We were playing with some CV things, and ended up doing something similar to what YAC posted above, but rather than using jit.scissors, we used poly~ to grid the input into a variable number of submatrices.  The technique works rather nicely until you try to get too many instances of the poly~ going. But for something like an 8 x 8 grid, it works very well.

There are people who really give me an idea how to solve the issue that I have by sending a patch and others who say ok take this pill (read this tutorial) and you are going to be fine.

Anyway I just got Jitter and I am new to that so sometimes is annoying to beg for patch but that is the only way that I can understand.

Some other people say few words like connect this and that and you will achive what you want. I am trying again and again and it doesnt work because I just started learning jitter so it will be better off to see the real patch instead of hearing vague words.

There are people who really give me an idea how to solve the issue that I have by sending a patch and others who say ok take this pill (read this tutorial) and you are going to be fine.
Anyway I just got Jitter and I am new to that so sometimes is annoying to beg for patch but that is the only way that I can understand.
Some other people say few words like connect this and that and you will achive what you want. I am trying again and again and it doesnt work because I just started learning jitter so it will be better off to see the real patch instead of hearing vague words.


I am looking for a Jitter patch that can triger MIDI