Matthew Aidekman

Right now, when using max, I feel that its discouraged to make 

patches which are larger than the screen (or window). right now the 

scroll bars end exactly where your last object is, it takes some 

effort to move an object beyond the edge of a window. and of 

thats really it... um. some suggested solutions might be,

a preference for margins beyond the last object in a window. (like 

I have a tiny request.
Right now, when using max, I feel that its discouraged to make  
patches which are larger than the screen (or window).  right now the  
scroll bars end exactly where your last object is,  it takes some  
effort to move an object  beyond the edge of a window.   and of  
course effort sucks.

thats really it...  um.  some suggested solutions might be,
a preference for margins beyond the last object in a window. (like  
300 pixels.)
zoom key combos
hand tool combos (java script able-ish)

marginal-request

On 25-Mar-2006, at 19:59, matthew aidekman wrote:

> a preference for margins beyond the last object in a window. (like 

> hand tool combos (java script able-ish)

Some standard behaviors from the 90s would be nice, too, like auto- 

scrolling when an object hits a window boundary (including extending 

the canvas size as necessary). This would probably be more flexible 

than having to change a preference for a fixed added margin. 

Similarly, a few weeks back there was talk of magnification ("zoom" 

It's true that you can drop items outside the window margins, (Matt, 

have you tried dragging an object till the mouse is outside your 

window and then letting go of the mouse button? It's a cute effect.) 

Some aspects of Max' UI still look sort of System 6.0.5-like. I 

appreciate that increasing core functionality has been were most of 

the action is (MSP, scripting, Java & JScript, Jitter...), and I 

appreciate the UI enhancements that have seen the light of day. 

Still, it would be cool to have some of the features that we take for 

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On 25-Mar-2006, at 19:59, matthew aidekman wrote:
> some suggested solutions might be,
> a preference for margins beyond the last object in a window. (like  
> 300 pixels.)
> zoom key combos
> hand tool combos (java script able-ish)

Some standard behaviors from the 90s would be nice, too, like auto- 
scrolling when an object hits a window boundary (including extending  
the canvas size as necessary). This would probably be more flexible  
than having to change a preference for a fixed added margin.  
Similarly, a few weeks back there was talk of magnification ("zoom"  
in Windowsspeak).

It's true that you can drop items outside the window margins, (Matt,  
have you tried dragging an object till the mouse is outside your  
window and then letting go of the mouse button? It's a cute effect.)  
But everyone else I know autoscrolls.

Some aspects of Max' UI still look sort of System 6.0.5-like. I  
appreciate that increasing core functionality has been were most of  
the action is (MSP, scripting, Java & JScript, Jitter...), and I  
appreciate the UI enhancements that have seen the light of day.  
Still, it would be cool to have some of the features that we take for  
granted with other apps...

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FWIW, the next major release of MaxMSP will feature a new graphics 

API with anitaliasing, and true alpha channel compositing for a more 

FWIW, the next major release of MaxMSP will feature a new graphics  
API with anitaliasing, and true alpha channel compositing for a more  
modern look/feel.

> (Matt, have you tried dragging an object till the mouse is outside 

> your window and then letting go of the mouse button? It's a cute 

yes I have. I was describing more of a subconscious effect. like 

yes there's a method, but there's also a mental block.

as for the sys6 UI, I've come to love it on the back end. and I 

understand the issue of cross platform backwards compatibility. but 

I think when I lock my patcher I should be able to get things like 

antialiased characters, shadows, embossing, panes etc...

BUT NOT AQUA... DOWN WITH AQUA.... SOMETHING ORIGINAL whew

> (Matt, have you tried dragging an object till the mouse is outside  
> your window and then letting go of the mouse button? It's a cute  
> effect.)
yes I have.  I was describing more of a subconscious effect.  like  
yes there's a method, but there's also a mental block.

as for the sys6 UI, I've come to love it on the back end. and I  
understand the issue of cross platform  backwards compatibility.  but  
I think when I lock my patcher I should be able to get things like  
antialiased characters, shadows, embossing, panes etc...

BUT NOT AQUA... DOWN WITH AQUA.... SOMETHING ORIGINAL  whew

Oh mighty members of c74 you have descended from the mountains and 

granted our wishes. We praise you for your inspiration, We thank you 

>  next major release of....
Oh mighty members of c74 you have descended from the mountains and  
granted our wishes.  We praise you for your inspiration, We thank you  
for hearing our prayers.  amen.
-matt


On 25 Mar 2006, at 20:47, Joshua Kit Clayton wrote:

> the next major release of MaxMSP will feature a new graphics API 

nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- 

> the next major release of MaxMSP will feature a new graphics API  
> with anitaliasing

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www.cassiel.com


>> the next major release of MaxMSP will feature a new graphics API with 

>> the next major release of MaxMSP will feature a new graphics API with 
>> anitaliasing
>
> ...and a spellchecker?

On Mar 25, 2006, at 2:32 PM, dlurk wrote:

>>> the next major release of MaxMSP will feature a new graphics API 

Feel free to let your imaginations run wild...you'll find out when 

>>> the next major release of MaxMSP will feature a new graphics API  
>>> with anitaliasing
>> ...and a spellchecker?
>
> and type-ahead object boxes?

Feel free to let your imaginations run wild...you'll find out when  
it's released and not sooner.

On 25 Mar 2006, at 22:57, Joshua Kit Clayton wrote:

>>>> the next major release of MaxMSP will feature a new graphics API 

> Feel free to let your imaginations run wild...

Oh, I was joking, you see, you wrote "anitaliasing", and since that's 

a typo, which is a bit like a spelling mistake, I came up with this 

clever joke about spellchecking, and thought I'd share it.

>>>> the next major release of MaxMSP will feature a new graphics API  
>>>> with anitaliasing
>>> ...and a spellchecker?
>>
>> and type-ahead object boxes?
>
> Feel free to let your imaginations run wild...

Oh, I was joking, you see, you wrote "anitaliasing", and since that's  
a typo, which is a bit like a spelling mistake, I came up with this  
clever joke about spellchecking, and thought I'd share it.

On 26-Mar-2006, at 13:11, Nick Rothwell wrote:

> Oh, I was joking, you see, you wrote "anitaliasing",

Oh, and I thought we was talking about anitaliasing, which is sort of 

like backwards italics, only more Orthodox.

Given that Joshua writes with Mail.app (according to his mail 

headers), he's probably turned spellchecking off.

On 26-Mar-2006, at 13:11, Nick Rothwell wrote:
> Oh, I was joking, you see, you wrote "anitaliasing",

Oh, and I thought we was talking about anitaliasing, which is sort of  
like backwards italics, only more Orthodox.

Given that Joshua writes with Mail.app (according to his mail  
headers), he's probably turned spellchecking off.

On 26 Mar 2006, at 13:44, Peter Castine wrote:

> Oh, and I thought we was talking about anitaliasing, which is sort 

> of like backwards italics, only more Orthodox.

I thought it was a form of mediaeval Italian song? ("anitalia-sing", 

> Oh, and I thought we was talking about anitaliasing, which is sort  
> of like backwards italics, only more Orthodox.

I thought it was a form of mediaeval Italian song? ("anitalia-sing",  
geddit?)

On 26-Mar-2006, at 14:58, Nick Rothwell wrote:

I'll give you a hint: What was written on the inside cover of the 

copy of _Advanced Potions_ Harry showed to Prof. Snape?

>> -- Roonil Wazlib
>
> Isn't he a character in Harry Potter?

I'll give you a hint: What was written on the inside cover of the  
copy of _Advanced Potions_ Harry showed to Prof. Snape?

On Mar 26, 2006, at 6:11 AM, Nick Rothwell wrote:

> I came up with this clever joke about spellchecking, and thought 

I had a good laugh over it. So thanks, Nick.

On Mar 26, 2006, at 6:11 AM, Nick Rothwell wrote:
> I came up with this clever joke about spellchecking, and thought  
> I'd share it.

I had a good laugh over it.  So thanks, Nick.

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> On 26 Mar 2006, at 13:44, Peter Castine wrote:

>> Oh, and I thought we was talking about anitaliasing, which is sort of 

>> like backwards italics, only more Orthodox.

> I thought it was a form of mediaeval Italian song? ("anitalia-sing", 

Oh, it wasn't about this beautiful half-blood portuguese-chinese 

> nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- 

Nick Rothwell wrote:
>
> On 26 Mar 2006, at 13:44, Peter Castine wrote:
>
>> Oh, and I thought we was talking about anitaliasing, which is sort of 
>> like backwards italics, only more Orthodox.
>
> I thought it was a form of mediaeval Italian song? ("anitalia-sing", 
> geddit?)
Oh, it wasn't about this beautiful half-blood portuguese-chinese 
pornstar : Anita Lia Sing ?!
>
>> -- Roonil Wazlib
>
> Isn't he a character in Harry Potter?
>
>     -- N.
>
>
>   nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- 
> http://www.cassiel.com
>
>
>
>


> Oh, I was joking, you see, you wrote "anitaliasing", and since that's a 

> typo, which is a bit like a spelling mistake, I came up with this 

> clever joke about spellchecking, and thought I'd share it.

But one request definitely will follow out of my experience with typos:

If I have a connected patcher, and retype a different external name wich 

doesn't exist, it will cut all connections! and there is no working undo!!!

Solution: if a typed in name doesn't match, put in a bogus object which 

I guess everybody from Cycling will fall into that trap as well regularily.

Nick Rothwell wrote:
> Oh, I was joking, you see, you wrote "anitaliasing", and since that's  a 
> typo, which is a bit like a spelling mistake, I came up with this  
> clever joke about spellchecking, and thought I'd share it.

Please, please....!!!!
If I have a connected patcher, and retype a different external name wich 
doesn't exist, it will cut all connections! and there is no working undo!!!
Solution: if a typed in name doesn't match, put in a bogus object which 
at least retains all connections.

Is that too much to ask?
I guess everybody from Cycling will fall into that trap as well regularily.

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Secodned. (Damn! There go my connections) I mean

Having been through the miserable shit-storm that is

ME/CFS over the last 3 years, and consequently having

frequently been possessed with a bizarre kind of

dyslexia/typographica, anything that could save us

from this kind of thing would make me very happy,

Secodned. (Damn! There go my connections) I mean
'Seconded'.
Having been through the miserable shit-storm that is
ME/CFS over the last 3 years, and consequently having
frequently been possessed with a bizarre kind of
dyslexia/typographica, anything that could save us
from this kind of thing would make me very happy,
cheers
Roger


On Mar 27, 2006, at 4:48 AM, ROGER CARRUTHERS wrote:

> Secodned. (Damn! There go my connections) I mean

> Having been through the miserable shit-storm that is

> ME/CFS over the last 3 years, and consequently having

> frequently been possessed with a bizarre kind of

> dyslexia/typographica, anything that could save us

> from this kind of thing would make me very happy,

I'd prefer the box to turn red and leave the cursor in place so I can 

quickly correct the mistake without even reclicking.

>  Secodned. (Damn! There go my connections) I mean
> 'Seconded'.
> Having been through the miserable shit-storm that is
> ME/CFS over the last 3 years, and consequently having
> frequently been possessed with a bizarre kind of
> dyslexia/typographica, anything that could save us
> from this kind of thing would make me very happy,

I'd prefer the box to turn red and leave the cursor in place so I can  
quickly correct the mistake without even reclicking.

On 27 mars 06, at 15:23, John Nowak wrote:

>> Secodned. (Damn! There go my connections) I mean

>> Having been through the miserable shit-storm that is

>> ME/CFS over the last 3 years, and consequently having

>> frequently been possessed with a bizarre kind of

>> dyslexia/typographica, anything that could save us

>> from this kind of thing would make me very happy,

> I'd prefer the box to turn red and leave the cursor in place so I 

> can quickly correct the mistake without even reclicking.

I hear David Z's question from here: why would you like to write a 

>>  Secodned. (Damn! There go my connections) I mean
>> 'Seconded'.
>> Having been through the miserable shit-storm that is
>> ME/CFS over the last 3 years, and consequently having
>> frequently been possessed with a bizarre kind of
>> dyslexia/typographica, anything that could save us
>> from this kind of thing would make me very happy,
>
> I'd prefer the box to turn red and leave the cursor in place so I  
> can quickly correct the mistake without even reclicking.

I hear David Z's question from here: why would you like to write a  
bad object name in a box? :-)

marginal request