Kim Cascone

- haven't done much Max work in the past year since I've been working on a film project

- over the summer I lost my iBook in a bizarre Apple Repair snafu//long painful story, but Apple settled things with a new laptop

- I got a G4 PB but lost much data in the iBook snafu

- I needed to do a new install Max/MSP/Jitter/Pluggo

- installed Max/MSP457, Jitter152 and Pluggo354 and tested some patches

- Pluggo did not work and crashed Max in a very impolite way

- they suggested I do a uninstall and reinstall

- did this with some confusion as to why certain bits and folders kept winding up in the trash during the install

- finally got everything in its right place and tested Pluggo again

- no luck -- persistent crashing -- same as before but with other slightly different behaviors and error messages...

- contacted support, they suggested doing another clean install of everything

- I then tried upgrading to the Sept 22 version of Max/MSP and installed the latest Jitter and Pluggo

- more confusion as to what goes where...there are now two sets of 'externals' folders as well as js stuff

- also, I find that the Cycling '74 folder is now root to the Max folder (?)...not sure if this is correct given the weirdness of where things are put in previous installs...

- the Applications Support now contains something called 'C74 Plug-in Support' instead of the 'Cycling '74' folder...also don'r know if this is correct...

- new problem: when I try to use the 'folder' external it can't find it in the externals folder...

- and the new version of everything still doesn't recognize Pluggo plugs

my q: can anyone substantiate this 'new' massive instability on PPC machines? or is it something unique to my set up?

I'm frustrated and trying to get my Max/MSP patches working for a film sound design project

- haven't done much Max work in the past year since I've been working on a film project
- over the summer I lost my iBook in a bizarre Apple Repair snafu//long painful story, but Apple settled things with a new laptop
- I got a G4 PB but lost much data in the iBook snafu
- I needed to do a new install Max/MSP/Jitter/Pluggo
- installed Max/MSP457, Jitter152 and Pluggo354 and tested some patches
- Pluggo did not work and crashed Max in a very impolite way
- contacted support
- they suggested I do a uninstall and reinstall
- did this with some confusion as to why certain bits and folders kept winding up in the trash during the install
- finally got everything in its right place and tested Pluggo again
- no luck -- persistent crashing -- same as before but with other slightly different behaviors and error messages...
- contacted support, they suggested doing another clean install of everything
- tried it again
- no luck
- I then tried upgrading to the Sept 22 version of Max/MSP and installed the latest Jitter and Pluggo
- more confusion as to what goes where...there are now two sets of 'externals' folders as well as js stuff
- also, I find that the Cycling '74 folder is now root to the Max folder (?)...not sure if this is correct given the weirdness of where things are put in previous installs...
- the Applications Support now contains something called 'C74 Plug-in Support' instead of the 'Cycling '74' folder...also don'r know if this is correct...
- new problem: when I try to use the 'folder' external it can't find it in the externals folder...
- and the new version of everything still doesn't recognize Pluggo plugs

my q: can anyone substantiate this 'new' massive instability on PPC machines? or is it something unique to my set up?
I'm frustrated and trying to get my Max/MSP patches working for a film sound design project
thanks in advance,
KIM


massive-instability

>my q: can anyone substantiate this 'new' massive instability on PPC machines?

You might try starting out with nothing in your search paths or Application folders. Old externals may be lying around, you may have old collectives, old pluggo plugs, who knows what.

We're not going to be able to help you unless you are a *lot* more specific about the problems you are having.

Also, in the case of new versions and installers, it is always a good idea to read all the files named "readme"

If you are installing software and finding random folders in your 

trash, that leads me to believe that your hard disk has partition/ 

btree/catalog errors. IE, it has no f**ing idea where things are, and 

using it continually might (read probably.. read WILL) lead to data 

Does your system have stability issues with other applications? What 

I would first verify that your disk is in good shape.

Boot into an installer CD (preferably the one that came with your 

machine) and verify your disk, and verify your disk permissions. 

if not, then you might have some issues, but PPC 4.6.2 has been 

If you are installing software and finding random folders in your  
trash, that leads me to believe that your hard disk has partition/ 
btree/catalog errors. IE, it has no f**ing idea where things are, and  
using it continually might (read probably.. read WILL) lead to data  
loss.

Does your system have stability issues with other applications? What  
OS are you running on your Powerbook?

Boot into an installer CD (preferably the one that came with your  
machine) and verify your disk, and verify your disk permissions.  
Should you have errors, there you go.

if not, then you might have some issues, but PPC 4.6.2 has been  
pretty good to me. Good luck.

You might try starting out with nothing in your search paths

-- OK this was part of the problem...thanks! for some reason 

when I included a particular file path it was graying out the 'folder' object (?!)

or Application folders. Old externals may be lying around, you may have old collectives, old pluggo plugs, who knows what.

-- I'm still getting an error message of 'can't find VstPlugLib, error -43' when trying to load a Pluggo plug into a vst~ external...all other VST's work fine...

You might try starting out with nothing in your search paths
-- OK this was part of the problem...thanks! for some reason 
when I included a particular file path it was graying out the 'folder' object (?!)

 or Application folders. Old externals may be lying around, you may have old collectives, old pluggo plugs, who knows what.
-- got it...

We're not going to be able to help you unless you are a *lot* more specific about the problems you are having.
-- I'm still getting an error message of 'can't find VstPlugLib, error -43' when trying to load a Pluggo plug into a vst~ external...all other VST's work fine...

Also, in the case of new versions and installers, it is always a good idea to read all the files named "readme"
-- I did RTFM thanks... ;)


thanks but my HD is fine...Occam's Razor


What versions of things are you trying to do this with?

if youre finding random folders in your trash, you'd better start 

On Sep 27, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Kim Cascone wrote:

> thanks but my HD is fine...Occam's Razor

if youre finding random folders in your trash, you'd better start  
looking around for the cause.

>
> thanks but my HD is fine...Occam's Razor


../Library/Application Support/C74 Plug-in Support

and its permissions should be set to 775.

You might try running disk utility to repair permissions as well.

If you're still stuck let us know in support.