max5pariah

I'm not going to write an long and clever post. Not this time. I'm too busy.

There's only a short time on this planet, and it's not worth being driven towards madness to attempt to use Max 5.

Anybody who pretends Max5 is acceptable does so because of the money they paid.

Any Cycling employee who pretends Max5 is acceptable does so because of the time they invested into the product.

Pardon the nosisma, but I don't need our outraged defense.

In the most simple, distilled, pure and spot-on the money straight for the heart determination of max 5 there could ever be, just two lines:

Max 5 responds to you a few hundred milliseconds later.

just like David Z. for lacking the foresight when he decided to use JUCE.

It made the "spurts" of pleasure happen when things click into place a certain way.

Max 5 does not, it feels down, slugging, lugging, dragging, dead.

Programs aren't made out of just features.

I'm too busy writing piles of sonatas, high level code, low level code, and using max 4 to make awesome stuff, to let Max 5 make me sad.

It's an strange phenomenon how guys can be capable coders but not be aware of libraries and possess good taste in libs. Very strange. That's just how it is.

These cycling employees can code but they're retards when it comes to something as simple as, 'DOWNLOADING JUCE AND WITHIN 3 OR 4 HOURS OF MAKING LITTLE TEST APPS, REALIZING SOMETHING IS *SEVERELY* WRONG WITH THE LATENCY.'

Have any of you ever tried to use Traction? Is that not enough of a case-study in a library for you to grasp?

Nothing can save Max5 besides a rewrite.
No amount of text.

The GUI is too slow to be usable.
The mistake was a simple one, JUCE.

Anybody who pretends Max5 is acceptable does so because of the money they paid.
Any Cycling employee who pretends Max5 is acceptable does so because of the time they invested into the product.
Pardon the nosisma, but I don't need our outraged defense.

Max 5 feels like crap.
It's unresponsive.

All JUCE products are highly latent.
We knew that long ago.
Max 5 responds to you a few hundred milliseconds later.
Max cannot think fast anymore.
Max 5's mind is broken.
Max 5 cannot keep up.
Max 5 is senile,
just like David Z. for lacking the foresight when he decided to use JUCE.

Max 4 thinks fast.
Max 4 felt good.
Max 4 was a PLEASURE to use.
It made the "spurts" of pleasure happen when things click into place a certain way.
Max 5 does not, it feels down, slugging, lugging, dragging, dead.

Programs aren't made out of just features.
Programs feel a certain way.

These cycling employees can code but they're retards when it comes to something as simple as, 'DOWNLOADING JUCE AND WITHIN 3 OR 4 HOURS OF MAKING LITTLE TEST APPS, REALIZING SOMETHING IS *SEVERELY* WRONG WITH THE LATENCY.'
Have any of you ever tried to use Traction? Is that not enough of a case-study in a library for you to grasp?
Does it make sense?
No, and I've got to get back to work.

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For what it's worth, I agree that the JUCE-based GUI is slower than 

the old QuickDraw one, but what it lacks in responsiveness it more 

than makes up for in workflow and ease of use, so it balances out. As 

far as I've been able to determine and measure, there's no appreciable 

difference in computational performance. And I expect the C74 folk 

will improve the GUI performance over time.

Out of interest, what speed of computer are you using?

For what it's worth, I agree that the JUCE-based GUI is slower than  
the old QuickDraw one, but what it lacks in responsiveness it more  
than makes up for in workflow and ease of use, so it balances out. As  
far as I've been able to determine and measure, there's no appreciable  
difference in computational performance. And I expect the C74 folk  
will improve the GUI performance over time.

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This has been said many times before and is becoming frankly, quite dull.

Your attitude is unprofessional, childish and insulting, especially considering the huge improvements in Max5. You can still use Max4 if you wish and there is a demo version of Max5 so you can evaluate it before spending the money.

I suggest you rewrite your suggestions politely and professionally and you may then see results.

Stuff drawn with QPainter can switch between software rendering, OpenGL accelerated rendering, and Direct3d. With the flip of a switch. It will even draw *all widgets* in GL or D3D.

http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2006/10/benchmarks.html

Nick: Ye olde "what speed computer" question/statement means "zola is an idiot and doesn't have a grasp on the difference between max performance and the computer." Too predictable.

Cycling could port it.
JUCE and Qt API's are similar.
Cycling already did the hard work.

Nick: Ye olde "what speed computer" question/statement means "zola is an idiot and doesn't have a grasp on the difference between max performance and the computer." Too predictable.


> Nick: Ye olde "what speed computer" question/statement means "zola 

> is an idiot and doesn't have a grasp on the difference between max 

> performance and the computer." Too predictable.

It doesn't actually. What more can I say? As we used to say on USEnet: 

> Nick: Ye olde "what speed computer" question/statement means "zola  
> is an idiot and doesn't have a grasp on the difference between max  
> performance and the computer." Too predictable.

It doesn't actually. What more can I say? As we used to say on USEnet:  
*plonk*.

You are behaving like a petulant little child. Trying to force change through insults has never worked, and I'm pretty sure it won't work here either.

Asking what kind of computer you use is pretty relevant, your response was as irrelevant as could be.

(btw, I'm using Max 5 for lots of usable and useful things. I used to work with Max 4. Am I doing something wrong?)

for my 2 cents. I feel this is just too much of a childish stab to get what you want.

I feel myself that Max 5 is a huge step up from what they had before. And anyhow, Max 4 would not have been bug free when it first came out, just as Max 5 is. 

This is why we have reasons of 5.0.2, 5.0.3, etc. Updates to rectify any bad happenings that are sadly going on with some Max users.

Also the question of computer speed is necessary, by all means...

for my 2 cents. I feel this is just too much of a childish stab to get what you want.
But in turn wont work.

I feel myself that Max 5 is a huge step up from what they had before. And anyhow, Max 4 would not have been bug free when it first came out, just as Max 5 is. 
This is why we have reasons of 5.0.2, 5.0.3, etc. Updates to rectify any bad happenings that are sadly going on with some Max users.

Also the question of computer speed is necessary, by all means...


Sorry to hear it is not working out for you.

Sorry to hear it is not working out for you.
Have a nice life...


Agreed. Now everyone please stop feeding the trolls.

Andreas (who works more than 50% faster in Max5)

> Sorry to hear it is not working out for you.

*plonk* indeed.
Andreas (who works more than 50% faster in Max5)

Anthony Palomba skrev:
> Sorry to hear it is not working out for you.
> Have a nice life...


I really can't agree that a faster processor is the key.. My tests don't point to a computer issue. I've tested Max 5 out on a number of computers and the results are consistent. Performance sucks.

Also, quit being such trollophobes. Zola seems to feel more strongly about Max and hence his lexical usage reflects anguish. Just because he doesn't word things in a way YOU see fit doesn't mean you have to overlook the issue he's bringing up and get your rocks off by flaming him.

Don't ride it off just yet. Adam Murray and I MAY have discovered a difference in Max 4 and 5 which may be at the heart of this so called "failure". I can completely relate to your feelings, but pointing the finger at JUCE may be wrong.

This seems to be the case, at least from my own tests:

A few months ago, and just recently, I proposed that Max 5 might be constantly rebuilding the scheduler while dragging things around. To prove that I made a patch which tests this behavior. You drag a message box to the left another message box with the mouse button held down. Both message boxes are being banged at a 1000ms interval. If the message box you're dragging appears AFTER the one you dragged over, then it's sufficient evidence that the scheduler is being rebuilt, at intervals, while dragging things around, AND, that constant rebuilding is probably what's causing things to get sluggish. And for what, too? The only reason to rebuild is to make sure non-trigger right to left order is maintained while dragging.

However, there was a problem which I hadn't even realized would be a problem. You see, I don't have Max 5. My demo has run out. So, I test it and report back to the forum that my speculation is WRONG. I had discovered that Max 4 doesn't rebuild the scheduler when dragging objects around.

I hadn't even speculated that Max 5 would be different because I had already concluded that Max 5 was just more of a GUI update and that the core behavior would be the same.

So, Emmanuel Jordan torts back that I am a troll and posts a video to prove the point. In his video, he shows that, in Max 5, the scheduler DOES get rebuilt while dragging things around.

And inadvertently, in his pursuit to label me a troll, he failed to realize that the issue was not me "getting it wrong", but that I was on Max 4, and he was on 5, and our different result were because we were on different Max's. At least it would appear that way. So based on this, I can say that....

- Max 4 does not rebuild the graph when dragging until the left mouse button is released.

- Max 5 DOES rebuild the graph when dragging WHILE the left mouse button is being held down.

Of course he has since shied away despite his error in thinking this was a trolling issue. You'd think having a part in discovering a major difference between dragging in Max 4 and 5 would call for celebration as many people are completely frustrated with how latent Max 5 feels. I know at least 3 guys in LA who refuse to use Max 5 purely for this fact.

I am proposing a solution to my #1 complaint in Max 5. I feel I have at least SOME evidence to point to the problem NOT BEING JUCE, as most people tend to think, but the fact that the interpreter is constantly rebuilding things in Max 5, when it wasn't in 4.

I think if you change the way how the interpreter acts during dragging back to the way it worked in Max 4, you'd see a huge speed boost in the canvas.

"I personally don't see why the right-to-left order needs to constantly update while dragging the mouse. Maybe some people think it is good for usability or whatever, but it is really necessary to try to keep the patch in a completely accurate state every instant while dragging objects around? It seems to me that waiting until the mouse button is lifted, and then recalculating the object graph *once* would potentially improve canvas performance by a noticeable amount."

I really can't agree that a faster processor is the key.. My tests don't point to a computer issue. I've tested Max 5 out on a number of computers and the results are consistent.  Performance sucks.

Also, quit being such trollophobes.  Zola seems to feel more strongly about Max and hence his lexical usage reflects anguish.  Just because he doesn't word things in a way YOU see fit doesn't mean you have to overlook the issue he's bringing up and get your rocks off by flaming him.

Don't ride it off just yet.  Adam Murray and I MAY have discovered a difference in Max 4 and 5 which may be at the heart of this so called "failure". I can completely relate to your feelings, but pointing the finger at JUCE may be wrong.

A few months ago, and just recently, I proposed that Max 5 might be constantly rebuilding the scheduler while dragging things around.  To prove that I made a patch which tests this behavior.  You drag a message box to the left  another message box with the mouse button held down.  Both message boxes are being banged at a 1000ms interval.  If the message box you're dragging appears AFTER the one you dragged over, then it's sufficient evidence that the scheduler is being rebuilt, at intervals, while dragging things around, AND, that constant rebuilding is probably what's causing things to get sluggish.  And for what, too? The only reason to rebuild is to make sure non-trigger right to left order is maintained while dragging. 

However, there was a problem which I hadn't even realized would be a problem.  You see, I don't have Max 5. My demo has run out.  So, I test it and report back to the forum that my speculation is WRONG.  I had discovered that Max 4 doesn't rebuild the scheduler when dragging objects around.

So, Emmanuel Jordan torts back that I am a troll and posts a video to prove the point.  In his video, he shows that, in Max 5, the scheduler DOES get rebuilt while dragging things around.

Here is his video:
http://www.e--j.com/dl/troll2.mov

And inadvertently, in his pursuit to label me a troll, he failed to realize that the issue was not me "getting it wrong", but that I was on Max 4, and he was on 5, and our different result were because we were on different Max's.  At least it would appear that way. So based on this, I can say that....

- Max 4 does not rebuild the graph when dragging until the left mouse button is released.
- Max 5 DOES rebuild the graph when dragging WHILE the left mouse button is being held down.

Of course he has since shied away despite his error in thinking this was a trolling issue.  You'd think having a part in discovering a major difference between dragging in Max 4 and 5 would call for celebration as many people are completely frustrated with how latent Max 5 feels.  I know at least 3 guys in LA who refuse to use Max 5 purely for this fact.

I am proposing a solution to my #1 complaint in Max 5.  I feel I have at least SOME evidence to point to the problem NOT BEING JUCE, as most people tend to think, but the fact that the interpreter is constantly rebuilding things in Max 5, when it wasn't in 4.  

I think if you change the way how the interpreter acts during dragging back to the way it worked in Max 4, you'd see a huge speed boost in the canvas.  

Quote: vuxivil wrote on Mon, 20 October 2008 12:33

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> Also, quit being such trollophobes. Zola seems to feel more strongly about Max and hence his lexical usage reflects anguish. Just because he doesn't word things in a way YOU see fit doesn't mean you have to overlook the issue he's bringing up and get your rocks off by flaming him.

This is where you are wrong. Common decency is not much of a demand, and if a particular user acts like a jackass, he shouldn't expect a respectful treatment.

Read his first post again. It even contains personal insults. I would completely understand if his post is ignored by Cycling'74.

just like David Z. for lacking the foresight when he decided to use JUCE."

His voice is one of arrogance, not of "anguish".

And as others have said: Lots and lots of people can do lots of lots of things with Max 5. This is something both you and him (for all I know you are the same, and it's all part of the game) seem to ignore as you make your grand, sweeping statements about the complete uselessness (if that's a word) of Max 5.

You are speaking on behalf of yourself, not the entire community.

Quote: vuxivil wrote on Mon, 20 October 2008 12:33
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> Also, quit being such trollophobes.  Zola seems to feel more strongly about Max and hence his lexical usage reflects anguish.  Just because he doesn't word things in a way YOU see fit doesn't mean you have to overlook the issue he's bringing up and get your rocks off by flaming him.

"Max 5 is senile,
just like David Z. for lacking the foresight when he decided to use JUCE."

You're completely without any relevance to this topic. In fact, you're apart of the problem. You stated only a few days ago that...

2. You were completely happy patching in a canvas that ran at arond 10 frames a second

Obviously, a guy who thinks that patching in Max at 10 frames a second is going to endlessly be angry at people who want a solid 60 frames.

You have a complete garbage, outdated computer, too. Take it from someone with a better computer that your untested assumption that things speed up on faster computers is complete nonsense. Ive tested on numerous computers, and the latency is terrible across the board.

And yes, I have no problems with what Zola has said.

David isn't senile, but, so what if Zola thinks that? Who cares? You're assuming too much about things by boycotting this thread with your moral nonsense. As Ive stated, your expectations on Max's latency are that 10 FPS is acceptable, so..

"Hey, I just bought Doom 3, and I love playing at 10 FPS. Doesn't matter that I have one of the best processors/GPUs available, 10 frames is FINE BY ME"

"Common decency" is a point of view. Ive grown past trying to make people speak or act in a way in which I deem appropriate, and playing executioner when they don't follow the rules, which is what you're doing now.

You are a horn-blowing trollophobe, a person with zero quality control standards, and a person who is completely obsessed with enforcing rules and punishing people. Your ideas about the future and state of Max are all crap.

Zola is distressed. He obviously had a lot to look forward to in Max 5 and those things haven't come to light. I can relate in that I absolutely loved Max 4, albeit, I felt like it needed a new, zoomable canvas, an improved help system, etc. We got all that in Max 5, but we also got a latency which makes it unusable. A lot of people have said this, including some venerable old timers/gurus of this forum like Olaf Matthews.

You're completely without any relevance to this topic.  In fact, you're apart of the problem. You stated only a few days ago that...

1. Max 5 was completely usable AND
2. You were completely happy patching in a canvas that ran at arond 10 frames a second

You have a complete garbage, outdated computer, too.   Take it from someone with a better computer that your untested assumption that things speed up on faster computers is complete nonsense.  Ive tested on numerous computers, and the latency is terrible across the board.

And yes, I have no problems with what Zola has said.  

David isn't senile, but, so what if Zola thinks that?  Who cares?  You're assuming too much about things by boycotting this thread with your moral nonsense.  As Ive stated, your expectations on Max's latency are that 10 FPS is acceptable, so..

It's kind of like saying...
"Hey, I just bought Doom 3, and I love playing at 10 FPS.  Doesn't matter that I have one of the best processors/GPUs available, 10 frames is FINE BY ME"

"Common decency" is a point of view.  Ive grown past trying to make people speak or act in a way in which I deem appropriate, and playing executioner when they don't follow the rules, which is what you're doing now.   

You are a horn-blowing trollophobe, a person with zero quality control standards, and a person who is completely obsessed with enforcing rules and punishing people.  Your ideas about the future and state of Max are all crap.

Zola is distressed.  He obviously had a lot to look forward to in Max 5 and those things haven't come to light.  I can relate in that I absolutely loved Max 4, albeit, I felt like it needed a new, zoomable canvas, an improved help system, etc.  We got all that in Max 5, but we also got a latency which makes it unusable.  A lot of people have said this, including some venerable old timers/gurus of this forum like Olaf Matthews.

Quote: vuxivil wrote on Mon, 20 October 2008 13:25

> You're completely without any relevance to this topic. In fact, you're apart of the problem. You stated only a few days ago that...

> 2. You were completely happy patching in a canvas that ran at arond 10 frames a second

I have no problems doing lots of sensible things with Max 5, which is what I said.

> Obviously, a guy who thinks that patching in Max at 10 frames a second is going to endlessly be angry at people who want a solid 60 frames.

I'm not angry that people want a certain feature. I'm annoyed with people who act like spoilt little brats, and then get terribly annoyed when they get criticised.

> And yes, I have no problems with what Zola has said.

He wasn't talking about you, so I'm not surprised.

You seem to get upset with other people, though, so obviously your "morale relativism" is just a pose - hence your attempt at sarcasm.

> David isn't senile, but, so what if Zola thinks that? Who cares?

David? Others who think a bit of respect has never hurt anyone?

You should try opening your next letter to grandma like this: Hey, you little c*nt! What's up, b*tch? Doing ok, turd?

> You're assuming too much about things by boycotting this thread with your moral nonsense.

If it was nonsense I wouldn't have bothered, but since it isn't, I'll keep it up.

> "Hey, I just bought Doom 3, and I love playing at 10 FPS. Doesn't matter that I have one of the best processors/GPUs available, 10 frames is FINE BY ME"

That's the most terrible analogy I've read in a while.

Up until a point. If someone sitting next to you on the bus gave you a verbal slap in the face, I'm pretty sure you'd agree that the limit of "decency" had been reached, right? Maybe they even spat at you.

> You are a horn-blowing trollophobe, a person with zero quality control standards, and a person who is completely obsessed with enforcing rules and punishing people. Your ideas about the future and state of Max are all crap.

Crap, eh? To paraphrase: "One man's crap is another man's gold".

You seem to say I don't know my own good when it comes to Max 5. This is what firmly places you in the camp for ridiculous behaviour.

As I said: I don't have a problem with you having a problem. I have a big problem with you acting like a spoilt child.

> Zola is distressed. He obviously had a lot to look forward to in Max 5 and those things haven't come to light. I can relate

Zola might be distressed, but he's also an arrogant, condescending little man. He should expect to be treated the same way.

Quote: vuxivil wrote on Mon, 20 October 2008 13:25
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> You're completely without any relevance to this topic.  In fact, you're apart of the problem. You stated only a few days ago that...
>
> 1. Max 5 was completely usable AND
> 2. You were completely happy patching in a canvas that ran at arond 10 frames a second

> And yes, I have no problems with what Zola has said.  

> David isn't senile, but, so what if Zola thinks that?  Who cares?

>  You're assuming too much about things by boycotting this thread with your moral nonsense.

> It's kind of like saying...
> "Hey, I just bought Doom 3, and I love playing at 10 FPS.  Doesn't matter that I have one of the best processors/GPUs available, 10 frames is FINE BY ME"

> You are a horn-blowing trollophobe, a person with zero quality control standards, and a person who is completely obsessed with enforcing rules and punishing people.  Your ideas about the future and state of Max are all crap.

> Zola is distressed.  He obviously had a lot to look forward to in Max 5 and those things haven't come to light.  I can relate 

Zola might be distressed, but he's also an arrogant, condescending little man. He should expect to be treated the same way.


I think for one, that manners are a must. No-body, whether being yourself or anyone else would like to be called 'senile'.

I myself am a person who does believe that good manners can go along way rather than just saying 'i want that', 'give me that' or 'this is shit' and 'that is shit' etc.

Yes, he is annoyed at the fact that the performance for himself is not up to the standard of what he was hoping, i feel for it. But to really say things like that, is a bit too much. I think many users could agree.

Plus I also have wondered 'why doesn't he post his annoyance to Cycling 74 crew themselves' rather than having a huge banter that can get other user riled up because of the comments that were posted.

I am not saying that is wrong, because many people do say about 'what is wrong'. But the manner in speaking was a bit too much

I don't even know why i am posting any replies to this forum post. But possibly to the fact that, this is place for learning and figuring out patch problems. Not for saying bad things to one another, and calling people names and even starting 'virtual fights', which is actually silly when you think about.

I'm not wanting to start anything, i think this has just gotten to the point already where it has gone too far. Plus i do suggest that Zola does contact the Cycling 74 team about these situations and to see if anything is going to be be done about.

I don't think anybody could argue with that sort of reasoning?...

I myself am a person who does believe that good manners can go along way rather than just saying 'i want that', 'give me that' or 'this is shit' and 'that is shit' etc.
Yes, he is annoyed at the fact that the performance for himself is not up to the standard of what he was hoping, i feel for it. But to really say things like that, is a bit too much. I think many users could agree.

Plus I also have wondered 'why doesn't he post his annoyance to Cycling 74 crew themselves' rather than having a huge banter that can get other user riled up because of the comments that were posted.
I am not saying that is wrong, because many people do say about 'what is wrong'. But the manner in speaking was a bit too much

I don't think anybody could argue with that sort of reasoning?...


On 20/10/2008 20:46, "Lewis G. Edwards" wrote:

> I think for one, that manners are a must.

Viv Stanshall was once asked by a U.S sheriff how he intended to defend

himself if he wasn't carrying a gun. His reply: "With good manners!"

On 20/10/2008 20:46, "Lewis G. Edwards"  wrote:

>
> I think for one, that manners are a must.

Viv Stanshall was once asked by a U.S sheriff how he intended to defend
himself if he wasn't carrying a gun. His reply: "With good manners!"
Cheers
Roger


> > "Hey, I just bought Doom 3, and I love playing at 10 FPS. Doesn't matter that I have one of the best processors/GPUs available, 10 frames is FINE BY ME"

> That's the most terrible analogy I've read in a while.

It's also pretty relevant to how pathetic your defense of a canvas running at 10 FPS is.

Wanting my canvas to feel smooth makes me a spoiled brat. I suppose you'll be the one to spank me and put me in my room, now, right?

> Up until a point. If someone sitting next to you on the bus gave you a verbal slap in the face, I'm pretty sure you'd agree that the limit of "decency" had been reached, right? Maybe they even spat at you.

Scared maybe, but I wouldn't start preaching to him about manners.

> You seem to say I don't know my own good when it comes to Max 5. This is what firmly places you in the camp for ridiculous behaviour.

There is no seem-ing about it. You absolutely have zero standards and your recommendations to people to get faster computers are completely unfounded and untested. Bad advice at it's finest.

You come into topics that you don't agree with and start spewing all this garbage about gratitude and decency. What's next? You're going to tell me there's starving children in Africa and that I need to be grateful for every morsel of food I eat or else I'm a "bad person"?

> You should try opening your next letter to grandma like this: Hey, you little c*nt! What's up, b*tch? Doing ok, turd?

We've had grandma on this milking machine for quite some time, giving her hormones so she'll produce more breast milk. We package it and sell it to non-native language speaking minorities. We also contaminate the milk with pesticides.

Lately, though, grandma's been acting up. You're right, that bitch needs a few choice words to get her back in line. Production has been falling behind and if she doesn't get her fat ass back on track we're gonna have to put her down.

> > It's kind of like saying...
> > "Hey, I just bought Doom 3, and I love playing at 10 FPS.  Doesn't matter that I have one of the best processors/GPUs available, 10 frames is FINE BY ME"
>
>
> That's the most terrible analogy I've read in a while.
>

It's also pretty relevant to how pathetic your defense of a canvas running at 10 FPS is.  

Wanting my canvas to feel smooth makes me a spoiled brat.  I suppose you'll be the one to spank me and put me in my room, now, right?

>
> > "Common decency" is a point of view.
>
> Up until a point. If someone sitting next to you on the bus gave you a verbal slap in the face, I'm pretty sure you'd agree that the limit of "decency" had been reached, right? Maybe they even spat at you.
>

>
> You seem to say I don't know my own good when it comes to Max 5. This is what firmly places you in the camp for ridiculous behaviour.
>

There is no seem-ing about it.  You absolutely have zero standards and your recommendations to people to get faster computers are completely unfounded and untested.  Bad advice at it's finest.  

You come into topics that you don't agree with and start spewing all this garbage about gratitude and decency.  What's next?  You're going to tell me there's starving children in Africa and that I need to be grateful for every morsel of food I eat or else I'm a "bad person"? 

We've had grandma on this milking machine for quite some time, giving her hormones so she'll produce more breast milk.  We package it and sell it to non-native language speaking minorities.  We also contaminate the milk with pesticides.

Lately, though, grandma's been acting up.  You're right, that bitch needs a few choice words to get her back in line.  Production has been falling behind and if she doesn't get her fat ass back on track we're gonna have to put her down.


Quote: vuxivil wrote on Mon, 20 October 2008 14:08

> > That's the most terrible analogy I've read in a while.

> It's also pretty relevant to how pathetic your defense of a canvas running at 10 FPS is.

No, it wasn't, which is what made the analogy so terrible. I'm sorry you can't see that.

> Wanting my canvas to feel smooth makes me a spoiled brat. I suppose you'll be the one to spank me and put me in my room, now, right?

You are getting it completely wrong again. I will now say this for the THIRD time: I have no problems with you wanting a problem fixed.

I have a problem with people who DEMAND such and such, and then top it off by calling the people who create the software names.

Since you are treating Cycling'74 with contempt, you should expect to be treated with the same contempt. The fact that you can't, or won't, see this is what leads me to assume you are a spoilt brat, and that your thoughts about the relativity of forum behaviour is just ad hoc, or even opportunistic.

Max 5: Epic failure