Ollie Hammett

We're looking for a Max Msp Jedi to help develop and conceptualise vocal FX treatments for an album we're mixing throughout May/June. In a nutshell you will be working on straightforward vocal transformers to help bring out the meaning of the lyrics. The position was not budgeted for and therefore unpaid however it is a genuinely awesome opportunity for programmers to get their names out there. Due credit will be given on the album.

Velvet Code, an electro synth-rock band in NYC signed to a distribution deal through an arm of Warner Music Group, we're in final production mode for our upcoming album, set to be released this summer. Velvet Code has generated massive interest on myspace with over 38,000 friends and 4,000 plays a day. They were ranked the #1 Electronic act in the months of February and March on Reverbnation, and are on rotation on over 100 podcasts around the world. A major promotional campaign has begin at Hot Topic stores in New Jersey with a showcase scheduled in June for Hot Topic Corporate. The band is also scheduled to appear on Fearless Music TV in April.

We're looking for a Max Msp Jedi to help develop and conceptualise vocal FX treatments for an album we're mixing throughout May/June. In a nutshell you will be working on straightforward vocal transformers to help bring out the meaning of the lyrics. The position was not budgeted for and therefore unpaid however it is a genuinely awesome opportunity for programmers to get their names out there. Due credit will be given on the album. 

Velvet Code, an electro synth-rock band in NYC signed to a distribution deal through an arm of Warner Music Group, we're in final production mode for our upcoming album, set to be released this summer. Velvet Code has generated massive interest on myspace with over 38,000 friends and 4,000 plays a day. They were ranked the #1 Electronic act in the months of February and March on Reverbnation, and are on rotation on over 100 podcasts around the world. A major promotional campaign has begin at Hot Topic stores in New Jersey with a showcase scheduled in June for Hot Topic Corporate. The band is also scheduled to appear on Fearless Music TV in April. 

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"that is not the preset you are looking for" - waves hands.

On Apr 24, 2008, at 5:12 PM, Andrew Pask wrote:

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maybe 'Jedi' was too ambitious a word, let me backtrack 'Padawan' :)

You should use [*~ 0] to process the vocals. 

You can use it on every parts of the tracks with the same efficiency.

You should use [*~ 0] to process the vocals. 
You can use it on every parts of the tracks with the same efficiency.


> The position was not budgeted for and therefore unpaid however it is

> a genuinely awesome opportunity for programmers to get their names

> out there. Due credit will be given on the album.

Wouldn't it be fare to take the existing budget (as there seems to be 

one) and just cut all other positions to pay that one? The "awesome 

opportunity" will apply for all I guess. Else wise you end up getting 

what you pay for, which might be less than without a "Max/MSP Jedi"

I'd keep my hands off. If nobody gets paid it might be fine...

Sorry for the rant, but it seems too well known... "Do it for the 

publicity..." But beware its not granted that it will help, could even 

Oliver Hammett schrieb:
> The position was not budgeted for and therefore unpaid however it is
> a genuinely awesome opportunity for programmers to get their names
> out there. Due credit will be given on the album.

Wouldn't it be fare to take the existing budget (as there seems to be 
one) and just cut all other positions to pay that one? The "awesome 
opportunity" will apply for all I guess. Else wise you end up getting 
what you pay for, which might be less than without a "Max/MSP Jedi"

Sorry for the rant, but it seems too well known... "Do it for the 
publicity..." But beware its not granted that it will help, could even 
be the opposite...

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Needs to eat, even Padawan, he does. Requires money, for food to buy.

Now, return air ticket TXL/JFK you pay, also hotel and food, then maybe good programmer you find. Lufthansa first class and Plaza hotel very good, we hear they are.

Pay what you're paying the studio and you'll even find some who'll talk to you in standard English instead of a bastard mixture of Injun Joe and Yoda.

It's all well and good to offer fame and glory, but what you get will be worth every penny you pay for it.

Needs to eat, even Padawan, he does. Requires money, for food to buy. 

Quote: Bertrand Fraysse wrote on Thu, 24 April 2008 19:42

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> You should use [*~ 0] to process the vocals. 

> You can use it on every parts of the tracks with the same efficiency.

LOL, your sarcasm serves you well, you are indeed a 

Quote: Bertrand Fraysse wrote on Thu, 24 April 2008 19:42
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> You should use [*~ 0] to process the vocals. 
> You can use it on every parts of the tracks with the same efficiency.
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LOL, your sarcasm serves you well, you are indeed a 
powerful Max jedi...


I have worked for free in the past. But it really has 

to be a pretty cool project. They tend to be projects 

where the artists forgo any attention to themselves in order

to advance the artistic concept. I don't sense any altruism

If I am going to put a lot of work into coming up with cool 

effects and get no money, hell I'll do that for myself. 

I have worked for free in the past. But it really has 
to be a pretty cool project. They tend to be projects 
where the artists forgo any attention to themselves in order
to advance the artistic concept. I don't sense any altruism
here...

If I am going to put a lot of work into coming up with cool 
effects and get no money, hell I'll do that for myself. 


Does anyone have or know about fee schedules for programming 

projects, music for commercials/films/webpages?

Does anyone have or know about fee schedules for programming  
projects, music for commercials/films/webpages?


> We're looking for a Max Msp Jedi to help develop and conceptualise 

> vocal FX treatments for an album we're mixing throughout May/June. 

> In a nutshell you will be working on straightforward vocal 

> transformers to help bring out the meaning of the lyrics. The 

> position was not budgeted for and therefore unpaid

If it's important enough to your album, then it should be important 

enough to budget for it. You aren't getting the mixing or mastering 

engineers to work for publicity, are you?

> however it is a genuinely awesome opportunity for programmers to get 

> their names out there. Due credit will be given on the album.

It's good that you've considered the credit angle but publicity does 

not pay the rent, especially for people living in NYC. I know plenty 

of people who could do this, but not for nothing. If you can afford 

the studio, then you can afford to hire someone, and there are plenty 

of Max Ninjas in NYC. I think that even a small fee helps as a show 

of good faith, so I'd urge you to reconsider. Play an extra live show 

and put the proceeds towards your Jedi, remembering also that you get 

The other step would be also to start learning Max/MSP. There's 

plenty of people/places that offer Max lessons in NYC (this guy 

included), and you'll find that it's a really good sonic investment.

Also, you should probably check out Pluggo and the other various plug- 

ins that Cycling '74 and other Maxers produce.

> We're looking for a Max Msp Jedi to help develop and conceptualise  
> vocal FX treatments for an album we're mixing throughout May/June.  
> In a nutshell you will be working on straightforward vocal  
> transformers to help bring out the meaning of the lyrics. The  
> position was not budgeted for and therefore unpaid

If it's important enough to your album, then it should be important  
enough to budget for it.  You aren't getting the mixing or mastering  
engineers to work for publicity, are you?

> however it is a genuinely awesome opportunity for programmers to get  
> their names out there. Due credit will be given on the album.

It's good that you've considered the credit angle but publicity does  
not pay the rent, especially for people living in NYC.  I know plenty  
of people who could do this, but not for nothing.  If you can afford  
the studio, then you can afford to hire someone, and there are plenty  
of Max Ninjas in NYC.  I think that even a small fee helps as a show  
of good faith, so I'd urge you to reconsider.  Play an extra live show  
and put the proceeds towards your Jedi, remembering also that you get  
what you pay for...

The other step would be also to start learning Max/MSP.  There's  
plenty of people/places that offer Max lessons in NYC (this guy  
included), and you'll find that it's a really good sonic investment.

Also, you should probably check out Pluggo and the other various plug- 
ins that Cycling '74 and other Maxers produce.

I know this project isn't for everyone & I completely understand any reticence. It seems everyone wants free labor in the music business these days..

There are many ways you could get involved with the Velvet Code project.Even if pre-existing patches are compiled for Pluggo & licenced for our use, it's still going to help us animate the vocal in a more unique way + you'll get credited accordingly.

Essentially we're about building forward thinking relationships. Not to get ahead of ourselves.. but from what I've seen/heard achieved with Max, I think there could be a niche for outsourcing or even representing the top programmers in New York through a top studio like ours.No one likes to name drop but check out our track record, it speaks for itself - www.beat360.com

If you're open for discussion, drop me an email or call (number on site)

I know this project isn't for everyone & I completely understand any reticence. It seems everyone wants free labor in the music business these days.. 

Essentially we're about building forward thinking relationships. Not to get ahead of ourselves.. but from what I've seen/heard achieved with Max, I think there could be a niche for outsourcing or even representing the top programmers in New York through a top studio like ours.No one likes to name drop but check out our track record, it speaks for itself - www.beat360.com 

perhaps it is sacreligious and/or obvious to say but Max/MSP is not

the only program for processing voice. There are tons of plugins both

free and otherwise that do some pretty jedi-like things to the voice.

check out spektral delay, mda plugins, phase vocoding, etc......

perhaps it is sacreligious and/or obvious to say but Max/MSP is not
the only program for processing voice.  There are tons of plugins both
free and otherwise that do some pretty jedi-like things to the voice.

Your record is extremely impressive. So why can't you give somebody 

Your record is extremely impressive.  So why can't you give somebody  
subway and falafel money?

Multimedia Ass-savers Union 21.5 unite, baby.

this thread, with the addition of the interleaved bpatcher one, is now officially my favorite of the week.

He big NYC producers need maxers? And what do you write on the album?

I dunno but if it was the Cure I would have got the a bike from 

berlin to NYC. I still do music for Love, actually do I? Yes.

In any case the Republic does not accept abuses, and since I have 

been already abused on these things by big music corporations and 

btw did any one tell these people that there is internet broadband 

On Apr 25, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Robert Ramirez wrote:

> this thread, with the addition of the interleaved bpatcher one, is 

> now officially my favorite of the week.

He big NYC producers need maxers?  And what do you write on the album?
Max programming by padawan?

I dunno but if it was the Cure I would have got the a bike from  
berlin to NYC.  I still do music for Love, actually do I?  Yes.

In any case the Republic does not accept abuses, and since I have  
been already abused on these things by big music corporations and  
their "we work together for the future"
I suggest  to be careful.

btw  did any one tell these people that there is internet broadband  
to do these things today?

>
> this thread, with the addition of the interleaved bpatcher one, is  
> now officially my favorite of the week.

Jacopo Carreras
music weaver
www.myspace.com/jacopocarreras
www.lan-muzic.com

3 - At the delivery of the final mix = 1/3

If short time projects or good agent, skip #2 and ask 1/2 on #1

1 - At the contract signature = 1/3
2 - At the delivery of the demos = 1/3
3 - At the delivery of the final mix = 1/3

Quote: robtherich wrote on Fri, 25 April 2008 20:13

> this thread, with the addition of the interleaved bpatcher one, is now officially my favorite of the week.

i'm trying to build a vocal filter with a darth modulator, any suggestions? can someone do it for me?

Quote: robtherich wrote on Fri, 25 April 2008 20:13
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> this thread, with the addition of the interleaved bpatcher one, is now officially my favorite of the week.
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> No one likes to name drop but check out our track record, it speaks

But this "offer" dropped your reputation already a lot, the better names 

(I couldn't find any track record on taht site btw...)

And to get this band stand out, you need someone really good, she should 

get all royalties if it would start off, if it doesn't its lame as any 

wedding job for the cv... (and wedding jobs pay usually fair...)

Oliver Hammett schrieb:
> No one likes to name drop but check out our track record, it speaks
> for itself - www.beat360.com

But this "offer" dropped your reputation already a lot, the better names 
you have, the better you could pay.
(I couldn't find any track record on taht site btw...)

And to get this band stand out, you need someone really good, she should 
get all royalties if it would start off, if it doesn't its lame as any 
wedding job for the cv... (and wedding jobs pay usually fair...)

> i'm trying to build a vocal filter with a darth modulator, any

If you get it together don't tell Oliver, he'll make the big bucks with 

Sorry, that I get so furious... probably too much starving in the past 

justin schrieb:
> i'm trying to build a vocal filter with a darth modulator, any
> suggestions? can someone do it for me?

If you get it together don't tell Oliver, he'll make the big bucks with 
it and let you starve...

Sorry, that I get so furious... probably too much starving in the past 
years...

I'm very sorry that our post has got you so furious but I feel your comments are unfair.If you were to call me & discuss (as some have) I think you'd recognise the opportunity & see we're not out to exploit starving programmers..

1. we are about win:win relationships. In this particular instance there isn't money as it's a self financing, independent band with a digital distribution deal (these days amounts to little more than Itunes placement & use of the labels marketing machine)

2. this is our first venture into Max territories. Having never worked with Max Msp programmers before, there is a certain amount of consideration/evaluation and education this end. Our thinking being that, this project is a great opportunity to reach out & see who we can build relationships with in this area & how these relationships could work. As well as record production, we are plugged into tv, film & games development - it would certainly be good to know effective, talented & easy to work with programmers for the sound design side of things.

getting paid in the music industry is rarely black and white in our line we do 'on spec'work all the time..You mix/produce one track for no money, demonstrate your ability then get hired to do the album - it's the nature of the beast.You could always provide us with some example treatments and quote your terms for future reference rather than flatly dismiss.

I think it's too easy to shoot people & ideas down without giving them a chance/the benefit of the doubt. If you're not interested, I respect that 100% but i think it's unfair to try & discredit us + dissuade hungry programmers who are open for discussion.

1. we are about win:win relationships. In this particular instance there isn't money as it's a self financing, independent band with a digital distribution deal  (these days amounts to little more than Itunes placement & use of the labels marketing machine) 

I agree this thread is very funny, but I think a lot of people are being unfairly hostile to a rather innocent request from Ollie.

Music is a tenuous business at best, and making a living from it often involves building up relationships over time, taking risks. The connections that pay my rent now were forged over years.

As an art, a lot of strong music arises from collaboration, all parties usually benefit from that experience.

So although I don't really have the time to get involved in such a project now, I can imagine a younger enthusiast could benefit greatly from it.

Music is a tenuous business at best, and making a living from it often involves building up relationships over time, taking risks.  The connections that pay my rent now were forged over years.

> I'm very sorry that our post has got you so furious but I feel your 

First, thanks for a valuable response, I apologize for my ranting, but

as you can imagine there is a reason behind it. And I think its possible

to put the whole deal on the table. That has to have an offer as well...

(Which I didn't have the feeling it was...)

> 1. we are about win:win relationships. In this particular instance 

> there isn't money as it's a self financing, independent band with a 

> digital distribution deal (these days amounts to little more than 

> Itunes placement & use of the labels marketing machine)

I think all these projects will only work out, if all participants are

equally members of the whole game. That would mean, first is personal

sympathy (you need to like the band), any profit has to be shared (it is

aimed at profit as I see it). Actually that last point is what I was

missing... That means, if it is a succes, there is payment, if it isn't

> 2. this is our first venture into Max territories. Having never 

> worked with Max Msp programmers before, there is a certain amount of 

> consideration/evaluation and education this end. Our thinking being 

> that, this project is a great opportunity to reach out & see who we 

> can build relationships with in this area & how these relationships 

> could work. As well as record production, we are plugged into tv, 

> film & games development - it would certainly be good to know 

> effective, talented & easy to work with programmers for the sound 

Yes, that was the other point I thought there is a missing balance. In

the 80's I had been assistant in Berlin with some big acts in a big

Studio. I was there to learn, and still got at least a little

compensation. I might have done it for less, but it was a matter of

respect for the studio, and I did learn a lot.

This taking an opportunity to learn might be enough for compensation.

You get taught, and instead of paying, you work...

But what you are looking for is something you want to learn from. What

you offer is your big amount of contacts, which might be valuable or

not. Its probably less valuable for those who could offer a lot of

learning to you, and more for those who don't know Max that well...

You might just get what you pay for, which could mean you didn't learn

what you could have learned (without recognizing it...)

> You could always provide us with some example treatments and quote

> your terms for future reference rather than flatly dismiss.

I fear our taste doesn't have so much in common (maybe less than our 

clients list...), I do live experimental processing, but I do love to 

I just felt the need to point to some unclear parts of the offer, it is 

also to protect the members of the community to get into experiences 

they might later regret. If the deal is clear, then there is no problem. 

I wrote this also to give you a hint how you could find someone who 

could really push that project. You just have to think about, what you 

personally would throw into the equation, to benefit from this project. 

If you want to learn, it ain't be for free...

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch...

I wish you success actually, if its really win/win it will be...

Oliver Hammett schrieb:
> I'm very sorry that our post has got you so furious but I feel your 
> comments are unfair.

First, thanks for a valuable response, I apologize for my ranting, but
as you can imagine there is a reason behind it. And I think its possible
to put the whole deal on the table. That has to have an offer as well...
(Which I didn't have the feeling it was...)

> 1. we are about win:win relationships. In this particular instance 
> there isn't money as it's a self financing, independent band with a 
> digital distribution deal (these days amounts to little more than 
> Itunes placement & use of the labels marketing machine)

I think all these projects will only work out, if all participants are
equally members of the whole game. That would mean, first is personal
sympathy (you need to like the band), any profit has to be shared (it is
aimed at profit as I see it). Actually that last point is what I was
missing... That means, if it is a succes, there is payment, if it isn't
its for learning the game...

> 2. this is our first venture into Max territories. Having never 
> worked with Max Msp programmers before, there is a certain amount of 
> consideration/evaluation and education this end. Our thinking being 
> that, this project is a great opportunity to reach out & see who we 
> can build relationships with in this area & how these relationships 
> could work. As well as record production, we are plugged into tv, 
> film & games development - it would certainly be good to know 
> effective, talented & easy to work with programmers for the sound 
> design side of things.

Yes, that was the other point I thought there is a missing balance. In
the 80's I had been assistant in Berlin with some big acts in a big
Studio. I was there to learn, and still got at least a little
compensation. I might have done it for less, but it was a matter of
respect for the studio, and I did learn a lot.
This taking an opportunity to learn might be enough for compensation.
You get taught, and instead of paying, you work...
But what you are looking for is something you want to learn from. What
you offer is your big amount of contacts, which might be valuable or
not. Its probably less valuable for those who could offer a lot of
learning to you, and more for those who don't know Max that well...
You might just get what you pay for, which could mean you didn't learn
what you could have learned (without recognizing it...)

> You could always provide us with some example treatments and quote
> your terms for future reference rather than flatly dismiss.

I fear our taste doesn't have so much in common (maybe less than our 
clients list...), I do live experimental processing, but I do love to 
dance to music as well... ;-)

Max Msp FX Genius wanted by NYC production studio