Stephane Morisse

Porting a project from Isadora to Max, I have a problem with jit.gl.hap. The medias work perfectly in Isadora and Quicktime, but when I play them using jit.gl.hap, I get sound but no picture, even with the object's helpfile. A friend tested it in Max 7 using his own player and the helpfile and everything worked fine, so I start to think this may be related to OS or quicktime version, because he runs Yosemite and I'm on 10.8.5. My config : 2 x 2,3 Ghz mbp 15' mid 2012 with 4 Go Ram, HAP codec version 6, Max 7.02 (also tested in 6.1.9). Can somenone running same app and OS versions please test that ? Thanks

edit : before someone asks, Max runs in 32 bits for both versions.

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Anyone ? Even with different OS so I can check if it happens to someone else ?

Tested right now with Max 7.02 on OS X 10.9 and Hap codec version 6 and it works fine.

Thanks LSKA. Might be an OS thing. Anyone with 10.8.5 ?

Hey I am on OS 10.8.5 amd Max 7.0.2 and there is no problem reading your movie with jit.gl.hap

Thanks florent, but in a sense this is bad news... Where the f... does the problem come from now ?

I'm stuck. Installed 10.8.5 fresh install on a new SSD. Max 7.02, HAP 6 codec package, and I still have this problem. This is really freaking me out as I started to build a project upon the ability of playing HAP files.

About potential problems with 'older OS', I found this.

https://github.com/Vidvox/hap-qt-codec/commit/4355ff08ddd275b9ac2857e5ef8565c157080fca

May this be a solution or just someone someone pointing something about this bug ? If that's a solution, how is it supposed to work ? Also, I don't get if this is included in the HAP V6 distribution.

About potential problems with 'older OS', I found this.
https://github.com/Vidvox/hap-qt-codec/commit/4355ff08ddd275b9ac2857e5ef8565c157080fca
May this be a solution or just someone someone pointing something about this bug ? If that's a solution, how is it supposed to work ? Also, I don't get if this is included in the HAP V6 distribution.


Stephane, are you sure, you are using Max in 32bit mode?

Definitly. I just checked to be sure that was also the case in my fresh install setup. This is weird.

Yes, weird, but I experienced the same problem, without clear solution - but everything was returned to operating condition after a week or two - and I still don't know, why... megaweird.

Maybe post your patch (or the fragment related to hap).

Any chance for a standard Max distro hap object ?

It's a happy ending that happened in a convoluted way. I upgraded to 7.03 but... no hope. Then I had a strange bug with [spectroscope~] that didn't happen in 7.02. Sent a bug report and Cory from the support suggested trashing the preferences, which I hadn't done since OS9 more than 5 times, and never with Max. Think I'll do it again if I ever hit a wall with a patch stubbornly refusing to open / work. Good ol' recipes !

Thanks for the info. This is actually a nice trick ;-). Which preferences file you trashed?

The whole C74's folder in library > App support. Just had to log in when I reopened Max.

It's a nightmare ! it's started again, there's no way I can play a HAP movie in Max... Stuck again, because that time, trashing the C74 folder from 'application support' did not help... Please Cycling, give us native HAP support !

I'm having pretty good results with the avf engine, jit.movie, and PhotoJPG .mov files

do you really need to use hap?
I'm having pretty good results with the avf engine, jit.movie, and PhotoJPG .mov files


The problem is the person I build the project for has encoded all in HAP upon my recommandation pre-Max7 and has lost some of the ressources, so no re-encoding is possible...

hey Stephane, I hope you can solve your codec issue and I'm definitely not a specialist in this domain, but can't you batch convert hap files in Adobe Encoder or MPEG Streamclip?

Nice to care Florent, the problem is that the person I mentioned lost some of his original media so there's no second chance... I have to use HAP for this project. I'm going back to my convoluted mix of Max and Isadora for now.

> I have to use HAP for this project. I’m going back to my convoluted mix of Max and Isadora for now.

I'll be really happy to see "hap-mode" for build-in max [jit.movie]. Eh...

I think HAP is not supported for now by AVF so we'll have to wait...

Actually our Graal - 64bit HAP supported by AVF - is already available: 

http://vdmx.vidvox.net/blog/hap-in-64-bit-avfoundation

Actually our Graal - 64bit HAP supported by AVF - is already available: http://vdmx.vidvox.net/blog/hap-in-64-bit-avfoundation

…but maybe not too long: http://vdmx.vidvox.net/blog/hap-in-64-bit-avfoundation


This is sweet news for my ears. Thanks Yaniki and Patrick. Do I get it right when I understand it should also work with AVF in 32 bits mode ?

AVF (which is an acronym of AudioVideo Foundation) is available for 64bit OS X only. In 32bit mode you may use QuickTime as "video engine". The new HAP codec is available on OS X from both AVF (64bit) and Quicktime (32bit). So, theoretically, depending on whether you are running Max in 64bit mode or 32bit mode, HAP codec will still be "accessible" from AVF engine or QT engine - but we need specialised Max object, to handle full potential of the codec.

the AVF backed jit.movie works in both 32 and 64 bit mode.

we are currently evaluating adding native Hap support to jit.movie, but no promises yet.

Media problem with jit.gl.hap