This is not a strictly max /msp question but.. I would like to resynthesize some middle east percussive sounds (probably via subtractive synthesis). I know that this is too general but I am looking for info about the physics behind these instruments and I can't find anything. So any tips on how to resynthesize these sounds? It doesn't really matter exactly which sound tar drum, doumbek etc. If anyone could provide a patch example I would be more than grateful!!

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Here's what I would do. Get some samples, load them into SPEAR and also a sonograph program. Check out what's going on, go from there. Tar might be better done with a karplus strong algorithm with a parametric eq on the impulse. I know this isn't what you asked but I might be willing to take this on as a job.

Here's what I would do.  Get some samples, load them into SPEAR and also a sonograph program.  Check out what's going on, go from there. Tar might be better done with a karplus strong algorithm with a parametric eq on the impulse.  I know this isn't what you asked but I might be willing to take this on as a job.


There is some wonderfull modular vst synths out there with thousands of sounds preloaded. You can check the presets if there is an implementation of the sound you want to make and understand it's flowing diagram. U-he Zebra is what i have in my mind right now . I have implement sitar with max/msp in the past by "copying" the flow diagram of a Zebra preset. Of course if you want to understand in-depth the physics behind the instrument this is not the scientific answer you seek.

There is some wonderfull modular vst synths out there with thousands of sounds preloaded. You can check the presets if there is an implementation of the sound you want to make and understand it's flowing diagram. U-he Zebra is what i have in my mind right now . I have implement sitar with max/msp in the past by "copying" the flow diagram of  a Zebra preset. Of course if you want to understand in-depth the  physics behind the instrument this is not the scientific answer you seek.


i wonder what you think how to come to a substractive synthesis model from knowing about the physis of the acoustic instrument.

EWWWWWWWWW! My least favorite instrument in the whole world :p (also, of no real importance: sitar is more 'south-asian' than 'middle-eastern'... i think? and not really a percussion instrument, though i have hit quite a few percussively because they sound best while breaking in two >8D)

That cheesy twangy sound, makes even 'white' folks wobble their heads to the music like indians do. Can't stand that wobbly-head movement people do when they listen to sitar music. TIS AN INSTRUMENT OF THE DEVIL! Forcing us all to become pacified in a state of complacent conformity to the norms of ancient indian patriarchs, aristocrats, and snobby royalty. Still to this day, they aim to usurp your individual will and thought in a dizziness brought on by wobbling your head to the music as if that's some kind of indication of achieving spiritual awareness through musical appreciation :p LIES! BLASPHEMY! DAMNATION!

SITAR! RATIS! SATAN! NATAS! ............think about it!

*raja scratches his head because he doesn't quite know where he was going with that last line*

(i don't know why, but that had to be my 2cents to this thread :D)

EWWWWWWWWW! My least favorite instrument in the whole world :p (also, of no real importance: sitar is more 'south-asian' than 'middle-eastern'... i think? and not really a percussion instrument, though i have hit quite a few percussively because they sound best while breaking in two >8D)
That cheesy twangy sound, makes even 'white' folks wobble their heads to the music like indians do. Can't stand that wobbly-head movement people do when they listen to sitar music. TIS AN INSTRUMENT OF THE DEVIL! Forcing us all to become pacified in a state of complacent conformity to the norms of ancient indian patriarchs, aristocrats, and snobby royalty. Still to this day, they aim to usurp your individual will and thought in a dizziness brought on by wobbling your head to the music as if that's some kind of indication of achieving spiritual awareness through musical appreciation :p LIES! BLASPHEMY! DAMNATION!
SITAR! RATIS! SATAN! NATAS! ............think about it!
*raja scratches his head because he doesn't quite know where he was going with that last line*

(i don't know why, but that had to be my 2cents to this thread :D)


OT, from al-Khwarizmi to Muddy Waters, it's what we do; stealing. Shit sorry, creatively appropriating

I get what you mean. The term "physics" was used more as a sonic model rather than "real" physics, if that makes sense.

In any case i think that what TADA suggests is a way to start. If anyone knows more programs that have these sounds would be really helpful for me. I will check out U-he Zebra asap

I get what you mean. The term "physics" was used more as a sonic model rather than "real" physics, if that makes sense. 

I send you "tabla high" emulation for zebra from vanilla lib (other instruments i found like zills and tambourine was not so good ). XMF filter used in the Zebra patch is a cross modulation filter (cutoff ruled by fm). There is also a good example of frame drum(bendir) in Absynth. Also be aware of a max/msp syndrome: If you don t use at least some physics equations a burst of voises burn your head reminding you that you are not a true sound designer :P

PS i forgot the limitation about zip etc files. here is a link

I send you "tabla high" emulation for zebra from vanilla lib (other instruments i found like zills and tambourine was not so good ). XMF filter used in the Zebra patch is a cross modulation  filter (cutoff ruled by fm). There is also a good example of frame drum(bendir) in Absynth. Also be aware of a max/msp syndrome:  If you don t use at least some physics equations a burst of voises burn your head reminding you that you are not a true sound designer :P 

PS i forgot the limitation about zip etc files. here is a link
http://uploaded.net/file/lxz0uyqd


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