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So I know David Z wrote that he doubts people will miss the editing window

from the detonate object, but in fact I was using that in a patch used to

record and analyze MIDI data for research purposes.

Basically, I need to be able to graphically watch, in real time, the

recording of multiple MIDI tracks simultaneously. Using detonate, this was

very simple as I could pull up the editor and see the data being recorded as

it was played. This editor is no longer supported in Max 5, and my question

to you all is, what is my best alternative for this, other than building my

own editor window. Truthfully, I don't need to edit the notes as much as I

need to be able record all the discrete data that was possible before, and

Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Hello friends,
So I know David Z wrote that he doubts people will miss the editing window
from the detonate object, but in fact I was using that in a patch used to
record and analyze MIDI data for research purposes.

Basically, I need to be able to graphically watch, in real time, the
recording of multiple MIDI tracks simultaneously.  Using detonate, this was
very simple as I could pull up the editor and see the data being recorded as
it was played.  This editor is no longer supported in Max 5, and my question
to you all is, what is my best alternative for this, other than building my
own editor window. Truthfully, I don't need to edit the notes as much as I
need to be able record all the discrete data that was possible before, and
visually watch the notes being recorded.

midi-graphical-interface

It was my hope that Cycling was going to have some kind 

of track object to replace detonate. Alas, it sounds like

they not only do not have one, but do not intend on creating one.

As far as I know there are no easy solutions out there.

If anyone knows of a track like object that displays 

Ultimately if one does not exist we will have to make one.

javascript would be an option but not very efficient. I am

waiting for the new Max5 SDK to take advantage of the new UI

API that should make drawing such things a lot easier. It would

be nice if Cycling could release the source for [seq] so 

that someone could create an graphical interface for it.

It was my hope that Cycling was going to have some kind 
of track object to replace detonate. Alas, it sounds like
they not only do not have one, but do not intend on creating one. 

As far as I know there are no easy solutions out there.
If anyone knows of a track like object that displays 
MIDI data please please let me know.

Ultimately if one does not exist we will have to make one.
javascript would be an option but not very efficient. I am
waiting for the new Max5 SDK to take advantage of the new UI
API that should make drawing such things a lot easier. It would
be nice if Cycling could release the source for [seq] so 
that someone could create an graphical interface for it.


I think there's an FTM object (the 'track scoob' class) for display and editing MIDI track data as a piano roll. However, the IRCAM team is still in the process, I believe, of making FTM's UI objects work under Max 5.

I'm just getting into midi sequencing with Max and I saw this is not available in Max 5. Why? Seems like a pretty useful thing to have so I'm wondering why he would say no one would miss it. I never even got around to using it in 4 and I'm already missing it here in 5!

On 22 mai 08, at 00:30, David Huff wrote:

> I'm just getting into midi sequencing with Max and I saw this is not 

> available in Max 5. Why? Seems like a pretty useful thing to have so 

> I'm wondering why he would say no one would miss it. I never even 

> got around to using it in 4 and I'm already missing it here in 5!

It's still possible to use detonate (or seq) in Max 5. There's no 

> I'm just getting into midi sequencing with Max and I saw this is not  
> available in Max 5. Why? Seems like a pretty useful thing to have so  
> I'm wondering why he would say no one would miss it. I never even  
> got around to using it in 4 and I'm already missing it here in 5!

It's still possible to use detonate (or seq) in Max 5. There's no  
graphical interface though.

Well you can still do MIDI sequencing in Max, with 

the [seq] object. What Max does not have is a nice UI for 

displaying and editing that data. Ideally something that can 

display that data as MIDI events or notation.

Well you can still do MIDI sequencing in Max, with 
the [seq] object. What Max does not have is a nice UI for 
displaying and editing that data. Ideally something that can 
display that data as MIDI events or notation.


Sorry guys, I wasn't clear. I was talking about the graphical editing when I said "I saw this is not available in Max 5." Sorry for the confusion. I still wonder why though.

I wonder why as well, I guess the cycling folks have been too

busy with other things to add in a decent track object that

displays and edits MIDI data. I hope something comes along soon...

I wonder why as well, I guess the cycling folks have been too
busy with other things to add in a decent track object that
displays and edits MIDI data. I hope something comes along soon...


> I wonder why as well, I guess the cycling folks have been too

> busy with other things to add in a decent track object that

> displays and edits MIDI data. I hope something comes along soon...

as mentioned in the help file, [detonate] is based on [explode] by 

Miller Puckette. This is traditionally open source...

If cycling is willing to publish the old detonate code, and finally the 

new SDK is out, someone could take it and port it...

Though it might be easier and more flexible to create an LCD based 

editor maybe in combination with seq~, the score following part could 

On the other hand detonate is pretty limited:

Its only dealing with integers, it can't carry much more than just midi 

I guess the decision was to look for a more profound and universal 

solution, than binding development resources with a sort of incomplete 

Anthony Palomba schrieb:
> I wonder why as well, I guess the cycling folks have been too
> busy with other things to add in a decent track object that
> displays and edits MIDI data. I hope something comes along soon...

as mentioned in the help file, [detonate] is based on [explode] by 
Miller Puckette. This is traditionally open source...
If cycling is willing to publish the old detonate code, and finally the 
new SDK is out, someone could take it and port it...

Though it might be easier and more flexible to create an LCD based 
editor maybe in combination with seq~, the score following part could 
still be achieved with [follow]...

On the other hand detonate is pretty limited:
Its only dealing with integers, it can't carry much more than just midi 
notes, no other events etc.

I guess the decision was to look for a more profound and universal 
solution, than binding development resources with a sort of incomplete 
old object...

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I would be happy with a multitrack version of seq that records 

metaevents. I never really used the graphical interface for 

detonate, The problem with the old detonate was that the midi files 

it exported drove Finale and Sibelius crazy - and again, no 

metaevents for writing time & key signatures for mixed meter pieces.

I am experimenting with MaxScore as an aid for transcription. So 

On May 22, 2008, at 7:15 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote:

>> I wonder why as well, I guess the cycling folks have been too

>> busy with other things to add in a decent track object that

>> displays and edits MIDI data. I hope something comes along soon...

> as mentioned in the help file, [detonate] is based on [explode] by 

> Miller Puckette. This is traditionally open source...

> If cycling is willing to publish the old detonate code, and finally 

> the new SDK is out, someone could take it and port it...

> Though it might be easier and more flexible to create an LCD based 

> editor maybe in combination with seq~, the score following part 

> could still be achieved with [follow]...

> On the other hand detonate is pretty limited:

> Its only dealing with integers, it can't carry much more than just 

> I guess the decision was to look for a more profound and universal 

> solution, than binding development resources with a sort of 

I would be happy with a multitrack version of seq that records  
metaevents. I never really used the graphical interface for  
detonate,  The problem with the old detonate was that the midi files  
it exported drove Finale and Sibelius crazy - and again, no  
metaevents for writing time & key signatures for mixed meter pieces.

I am experimenting with MaxScore as an aid for transcription.  So  
far, this is gong very well.

Cheers
Gary Lee Nelson
TIMARA Department
Oberlin College
www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson

> Anthony Palomba schrieb:
>> I wonder why as well, I guess the cycling folks have been too
>> busy with other things to add in a decent track object that
>> displays and edits MIDI data. I hope something comes along soon...
>
> as mentioned in the help file, [detonate] is based on [explode] by  
> Miller Puckette. This is traditionally open source...
> If cycling is willing to publish the old detonate code, and finally  
> the new SDK is out, someone could take it and port it...
>
> Though it might be easier and more flexible to create an LCD based  
> editor maybe in combination with seq~, the score following part  
> could still be achieved with [follow]...
>
> On the other hand detonate is pretty limited:
> Its only dealing with integers, it can't carry much more than just  
> midi notes, no other events etc.
>
> I guess the decision was to look for a more profound and universal  
> solution, than binding development resources with a sort of  
> incomplete old object...
>
> Stefan
>
> -- 
> Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
> --_____-----------|--------------
> --(_|_ ----|-----|-----()-------
> -- _|_)----|-----()--------------
> ----------()--------www.ccmix.com
>


Quote: Gary Lee Nelson wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 06:43

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> I am experimenting with MaxScore as an aid for transcription. So 

Gary, I would be very interested in your thoughts on MaxScore.

I am thinking of utilizing it myself as there really is no

other alternative solution at the moment. I would like to 

create a notation environment that lets me edit notes. 

How are you handling note storage? Does MaxScore support

that or are you using some other mechanism to save?

Quote: Gary Lee Nelson wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 06:43
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> I am experimenting with MaxScore as an aid for transcription.  So  
> far, this is gong very well.

Gary, I would be very interested in your thoughts on MaxScore.
I am thinking of utilizing it myself as there really is no
other alternative solution at the moment. I would like to 
create a notation environment that lets me edit notes. 
How are you handling note storage? Does MaxScore support
that or are you using some other mechanism to save?


MaxScore lets you built and edit a structure that includes a notation 

display. I have not tried editing in the display directly but you 

can play it back. I am not sure if it exports midi but it does 

export MusicXML files that can be read by Finale and Sibelius. This 

actually my goal. I want to produce scores for instrumental ensemble 

using composition algorithms I have written in Max. I'll post 

periodic updates on my progress although at the moment I am working 

On May 22, 2008, at 11:29 AM, Anthony Palomba wrote:

> Quote: Gary Lee Nelson wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 06:43

> ----------------------------------------------------

>> I am experimenting with MaxScore as an aid for transcription. So

> Gary, I would be very interested in your thoughts on MaxScore.

> I am thinking of utilizing it myself as there really is no

> other alternative solution at the moment. I would like to

> create a notation environment that lets me edit notes.

> How are you handling note storage? Does MaxScore support

> that or are you using some other mechanism to save?

MaxScore lets you built and edit a structure that includes a notation  
display.  I have not tried editing in the display directly but you  
can play it back.  I am not sure if it exports midi but it does  
export MusicXML files that can be read by Finale and Sibelius.  This  
actually my goal.  I want to produce scores for instrumental ensemble  
using composition algorithms I have written in Max.  I'll post  
periodic updates on my progress although at the moment I am working  
on something else.

>
> Quote: Gary Lee Nelson wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 06:43
> ----------------------------------------------------
>> I am experimenting with MaxScore as an aid for transcription.  So
>> far, this is gong very well.
>
> Gary, I would be very interested in your thoughts on MaxScore.
> I am thinking of utilizing it myself as there really is no
> other alternative solution at the moment. I would like to
> create a notation environment that lets me edit notes.
> How are you handling note storage? Does MaxScore support
> that or are you using some other mechanism to save?


MIDI graphical interface