fredcazaux

I encountered a problem today trying to play VST Instruments with my Midi Keyboard. My aim is to include a VSTi of a Juno60, cause my real Juno is almost dead, and i'm used to play with its sounds and max/msp as processing its sound.

But the problem is that, on several times, some note-off events drop-out and those notes keep playing until i press them again.

With a kslider in polyphonic mode just before the vst~ midi event message, i've seen that all data are correctly processed downto there. It seems that only teh vst~ object "miss" some messages.

2/ is there anything to do in mas options to avoid this ?

Here is the simple patch i've used to try :

I encountered a problem today trying to play VST Instruments with my Midi Keyboard. My aim is to include a VSTi of a Juno60, cause my real Juno is almost dead, and i'm used to play with its sounds and max/msp as processing its sound.
But the problem is that, on several times, some note-off events drop-out and those notes keep playing until i press them again.

With a kslider in polyphonic mode just before the vst~ midi event message, i've seen that all data are correctly processed downto there. It seems that only teh vst~ object "miss" some messages. 

So, 3 questions : 
1/ is that a bug of vst~ object ?
2/ is there anything to do in mas options to avoid this ?
3/ is there any other solution ?

Here is the simple patch i've used to try : 

midi-more-effeicient

I would really not to have to run another software in Rewire just to use my VST instruments... And in that case, i'm not sure i wouldn't get the same problem !!!

Please help me make those midievent more efficient !!!

Please help me make those midievent more efficient !!!
Thank you...


Do you see any errors like "effect doesn't want midievents" in the max window?

Why don't you just use a [zl group 3] and [prepend midievent] after the midiin?

Actually your patch is better than my idea, which won't work for prog changes.

Let us know about the other things though.

Quote: Andrew Pask wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 23:25

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> Do you see any errors like "effect doesn't want midievents" in the max window?

> Why don't you just use a [zl group 3] and [prepend midievent] after the midiin?

Actually i'm on windows with a 4.5.7 version. I don't have any error in the max window... And my problem occurs with any VSTi i use.

I just have some events errors : wrong notes are played, and others keep playing without understanding the note-off message. In fact, it seems the VSTi receives all messages but the note number is often wrong so that wrong notes are played, and note off occur on unplayed notes and leave de played notes without note-off message then...

Is there anybody else who has that problem ? Any solution found ?

Quote: Andrew Pask wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 23:25
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> I assume you're on Windows.
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> Are you using 4.6.3?
>
> Do you see any errors like "effect doesn't want midievents" in the max window?
>
> What plug are you using?
>
> Why don't you just use a [zl group 3] and [prepend midievent] after the midiin?
>
> -A
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Actually i'm on windows with a 4.5.7 version. I don't have any error in the max window... And my problem occurs with any VSTi i use.
I just have some events errors : wrong notes are played, and others keep playing without understanding the note-off message. In fact, it seems the VSTi receives all messages but the note number is often wrong so that wrong notes are played, and note off occur on unplayed notes and leave de played notes without note-off message then...

Is there anybody else who has that problem ? Any solution found ?
Thanx Andrey for your try !


Not all midievents have 3 bytes, you'd have to keep up with running 

A simple program change would screw it...

Andrew Pask schrieb:
> Why don't you just use a [zl group 3] and [prepend midievent] after the midiin?

Not all midievents have 3 bytes, you'd have to keep up with running 
status???

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Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
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Actually, the last version of my patch to test is the one below...

And as i've said, the kslider displays correct as the VSTi play wrong... So i assume this is in the vst~ object that the error occurs !

Stefan, could you please give us a max 4 version of your patch. I would like to compare yours and mine, and try yours on those very errors i get.

Stefan, could you please give us a max 4 version of your patch. I would like to compare yours and mine, and try yours on those very errors i get.
Thanx...

There were some problems with vst~ synth behaviour which got fixed in Max5. So far it doesn't sound like this is it though. If your patch works in Max 5 then great.If it doesn't, then please send all the details of what you are doing and what synth you're loading into support.

We cannot promise that vst~ versions prior to Max 5 will get updated.

There were some problems with vst~ synth behaviour which got fixed in Max5. So far it doesn't sound like this is it though. If your patch works in Max 5 then great.If it doesn't, then  please send all the details of what you are doing and what synth you're loading into support.

On 12 nov. 08, at 08:22, Fred CAZAUX wrote:

> And as i've said, the kslider displays correct as the VSTi play 

> wrong... So i assume this is in the vst~ object that the error 

I had the same type of errors on OSX (I don't remember if it was with 

Max4.5 or 4.6) with MOTU's MachFive sampler and never found a 

solution. The noteoff was received by Max, but sometimes not performed 

by the [vst~]... Fortunately, this only happened during rehearsals.

Centre de Recherches et de Formation Musicales de Wallonie asbl

On 12 nov. 08, at 08:22, Fred CAZAUX wrote:
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> And as i've said, the kslider displays correct as the VSTi play  
> wrong... So i assume this is in the vst~ object that the error  
> occurs !

I had the same type of errors on OSX (I don't remember if it was with  
Max4.5 or 4.6) with MOTU's MachFive sampler and never found a  
solution. The noteoff was received by Max, but sometimes not performed  
by the [vst~]... Fortunately, this only happened during rehearsals.

_____________________________
Patrick Delges

Centre de Recherches et de Formation Musicales de Wallonie asbl
http://www.crfmw.be/max


Upgrade go 4.6.3 (it's a free update from Max 4.5) and contact support 

On 12 nov. 08, at 08:05, Fred CAZAUX wrote:

> Quote: Andrew Pask wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 23:25

> ----------------------------------------------------

>> Do you see any errors like "effect doesn't want midievents" in the 

>> Why don't you just use a [zl group 3] and [prepend midievent] after 

> Actually i'm on windows with a 4.5.7 version. I don't have any error 

> in the max window... And my problem occurs with any VSTi i use.

> I just have some events errors : wrong notes are played, and others 

> keep playing without understanding the note-off message. In fact, it 

> seems the VSTi receives all messages but the note number is often 

> wrong so that wrong notes are played, and note off occur on unplayed 

> notes and leave de played notes without note-off message then...

> Is there anybody else who has that problem ? Any solution found ?

Upgrade go 4.6.3 (it's a free update from Max 4.5) and contact support  
if the problem persist.

On 12 nov. 08, at 08:05, Fred CAZAUX  wrote:

>
> Quote: Andrew Pask wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 23:25
> ----------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> I assume you're on Windows.
>>
>> Are you using 4.6.3?
>>
>> Do you see any errors like "effect doesn't want midievents" in the  
>> max window?
>>
>> What plug are you using?
>>
>> Why don't you just use a [zl group 3] and [prepend midievent] after  
>> the midiin?
>>
>> -A
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Actually i'm on windows with a 4.5.7 version. I don't have any error  
> in the max window... And my problem occurs with any VSTi i use.
> I just have some events errors : wrong notes are played, and others  
> keep playing without understanding the note-off message. In fact, it  
> seems the VSTi receives all messages but the note number is often  
> wrong so that wrong notes are played, and note off occur on unplayed  
> notes and leave de played notes without note-off message then...
>
> Is there anybody else who has that problem ? Any solution found ?
> Thanx Andrey for your try !
> --
> Fred CAZAUX
> http://www.fredcazaux.com


Quote: Emmanuel Jourdan wrote on Wed, 12 November 2008 13:16

> Upgrade go 4.6.3 (it's a free update from Max 4.5) and contact support 

I've done the upgrade yet, and it still doesnt work...

Beginning thinking of a conflict with anything in my PC.

Doesn't it occur for anyone else than me ?

Quote: Emmanuel Jourdan wrote on Wed, 12 November 2008 13:16
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> Upgrade go 4.6.3 (it's a free update from Max 4.5) and contact support  
> if the problem persist.
>
> ej
>
>
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I've done the upgrade yet, and it still doesnt work...
Beginning thinking of a conflict with anything in my PC.
Doesn't it occur for anyone else than me ?


I think you're right, my patch should work as well... but in fact, yours actually doesn't work better...

So, i can now think of 3 possibilities : a conflict on my PC, a problem on my install of Max / MSP, or a bug of version above 5.

I'll try to download demo of Max5, and open my patch to test it...

I'll do it tomorow and tell you the results then...

Hope i'll find another solution, cause i dont have the money to upgrade to Max5 !...

I think you're right, my patch should work as well... but in fact, yours actually doesn't work better...
So, i can now think of 3 possibilities : a conflict on my PC, a problem on my install of Max / MSP, or a bug of version above 5.
I'll try to download demo of Max5, and open my patch to test it...

I'll do it tomorow and tell you the results then...
Hope i'll find another solution, cause i dont have the money to upgrade to Max5 !...


Installed demo version of Max5.0.5, opened my patch, no error displayed on the max window...

played some notes with different VSTi, and stille the same errors, some notes stay unplayed, and some played notes never shut off until i fire it again...

So, i'm sure now that something is wrong on my computer and makes vst~ component get in trouble ! but what ???

Still asking for any comment, idea, solution, whatever you want that can make me go further in resolving that problem !

So,
New tests done !
Installed demo version of Max5.0.5, opened my patch, no error displayed on the max window...
played some notes with different VSTi, and stille the same errors, some notes stay unplayed, and some played notes never shut off until i fire it again...

So, i'm sure now that something is wrong on my computer and makes vst~ component get in trouble ! but what ???
Still asking for any comment, idea, solution, whatever you want that can make me go further in resolving that problem !

I have just installed my Presonus FP10, my Midi Keyboard, MaxMSP 4.5.7 on a friend's PC... opened my patch, played, and played, and played, and no error occured !

So, something wrong on my computer could make MaxMSP bug ?

I'll try to shut down all running applications and services one by one and check if it does anything better...

If you have any idea, still looking for...

Me again... 
I have just installed my Presonus FP10, my Midi Keyboard, MaxMSP 4.5.7 on a friend's PC... opened my patch, played, and played, and played, and no error occured !

So, something wrong on my computer could make MaxMSP bug ?
I'll try to shut down all running applications and services one by one and check if it does anything better...

If you have any idea, still looking for...
Thx again...


I may have found the solution ! How possible nobody, and neither I did think of it !? Overdrive !

I didn't check Overdrive and Scheduler in Audio Interrupt since the last time i've reinstalled Max !

And this is the first time in fact i really notice the use of this !

I have played a while just after checking the options, and no error occured ! Hope this is really the solution and that errors won't occur anymore that way...

I may have found the solution ! How possible nobody, and neither I did think of it !? Overdrive !
I didn't check Overdrive and Scheduler in Audio Interrupt since the last time i've reinstalled Max !
And this is the first time in fact i really notice the use of this !
I have played a while just after checking the options, and no error occured ! Hope this is really the solution and that errors won't occur anymore that way...

> I may have found the solution ! How possible nobody, and neither I

Even with overdrive off VST should play all events, maybe not in a 

Fred CAZAUX schrieb:
> I may have found the solution ! How possible nobody, and neither I
> did think of it !? Overdrive !

You might have found a bug.
Even with overdrive off VST should play all events, maybe not in a 
timely manner, but all...

midi more effeicient