Gary Lee Nelson

I just hauled my Motu 2408 out of the closet to give my old G4 a voice. I

updated to the current driver download from Motu and erased what I could

identify of the old driver before I installed the new one. I'm running

Max/Msp 4.5.7 on OS 10.4.8 - all current I think for a PPC machine. When I

run Audio Midi Setup, I can configure with eight output channels making

sound with the noise bursts. When I go into Max, I get only the first two

channels from the 2408 although I am outputting dac~ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8. There

is some chatter on the web about a firmware update. Not sure if it is

included with the new driver. I can't seem to locate the firmware update and

a search of the Max forum with "2408" yields nothing.

I just hauled my Motu 2408 out of the closet to give my old G4 a voice.  I
updated to the current driver download from Motu and erased what I could
identify of the old driver before I installed the new one. I'm running
Max/Msp 4.5.7 on OS 10.4.8 - all current I think for a PPC machine.  When I
run Audio Midi Setup, I can configure with eight output channels making
sound with the noise bursts.  When I go into Max, I get only the first two
channels from the 2408 although I am outputting dac~ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8.  There
is some chatter on the web about a firmware update. Not sure if it is
included with the new driver. I can't seem to locate the firmware update and
a search of the Max forum with "2408" yields nothing.

Cheers
Gary Lee Nelson
Oberlin College
www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson

motu-2408-pci-324

On 26-janv.-07, at 19:01, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:

> I just hauled my Motu 2408 out of the closet to give my old G4 a 

> updated to the current driver download from Motu and erased what I 

> identify of the old driver before I installed the new one. I'm running

> Max/Msp 4.5.7 on OS 10.4.8 - all current I think for a PPC machine. 

> run Audio Midi Setup, I can configure with eight output channels making

> sound with the noise bursts. When I go into Max, I get only the first 

> channels from the 2408 although I am outputting dac~ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8.

This may be too obvious but, on a Mac, there is a MOTU application 

installed in your Applications folder (something called MOTU AudioSetup 

or something) to configure the soundcard and choose the physical i/o of 

each three 8 channels groups. BUt as it works in AudioMIDISetup, it 

probably means the card is correctly configured.

I never did any firmware update of our 3 2408 and never heard about 

such an update (not for mk1 nor for mk2).

> I just hauled my Motu 2408 out of the closet to give my old G4 a 
> voice.  I
> updated to the current driver download from Motu and erased what I 
> could
> identify of the old driver before I installed the new one. I'm running
> Max/Msp 4.5.7 on OS 10.4.8 - all current I think for a PPC machine.  
> When I
> run Audio Midi Setup, I can configure with eight output channels making
> sound with the noise bursts.  When I go into Max, I get only the first 
> two
> channels from the 2408 although I am outputting dac~ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8.

This may be too obvious but, on a Mac, there is a MOTU application 
installed in your Applications folder (something called MOTU AudioSetup 
or something) to configure the soundcard and choose the physical i/o of 
each three 8 channels groups. BUt as it works in AudioMIDISetup, it 
probably means the card is correctly configured.
I never did any firmware update of our 3 2408 and never heard about 
such an update (not for mk1 nor for mk2).

Thanks for your reply, Patrick. For the 2408 the app is called MOTU PCI

Audio Console and it appears to be configured correctly. It is helpful to

I tested with SuperCollider. When you boot it's servers, SC displays the

audio devices that are available including the number of channels in each.

SC says there are only two channels in the 2408 but a test patch with PanAZ

plays all 8. Going back to Max I still get only two. I have SC and Audio

Midi Setup open at the same time and they happily play together on 8

channels. Could it be, dare I say, a problem in Max?

On 1/26/07 7:58 PM, "Patrick Delges" wrote:

> On 26-janv.-07, at 19:01, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:

>> I just hauled my Motu 2408 out of the closet to give my old G4 a

>> updated to the current driver download from Motu and erased what I

>> identify of the old driver before I installed the new one. I'm running

>> Max/Msp 4.5.7 on OS 10.4.8 - all current I think for a PPC machine.

>> run Audio Midi Setup, I can configure with eight output channels making

>> sound with the noise bursts. When I go into Max, I get only the first

>> channels from the 2408 although I am outputting dac~ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8.

> This may be too obvious but, on a Mac, there is a MOTU application

> installed in your Applications folder (something called MOTU AudioSetup

> or something) to configure the soundcard and choose the physical i/o of

> each three 8 channels groups. BUt as it works in AudioMIDISetup, it

> probably means the card is correctly configured.

> I never did any firmware update of our 3 2408 and never heard about

> such an update (not for mk1 nor for mk2).

Thanks for your reply, Patrick. For the 2408 the app is called MOTU PCI
Audio Console and it appears to be configured correctly.  It is helpful to
know that it is not a firmware issue.

I tested with SuperCollider.  When you boot it's servers, SC displays the
audio devices that are available including the number of channels in each.
SC says there are only two channels in the 2408 but a test patch with PanAZ
plays all 8.  Going back to Max I still get only two.  I have SC and Audio
Midi Setup open at the same time and they happily play together on 8
channels.  Could it be, dare I say, a problem in Max?

On 1/26/07 7:58 PM, "Patrick Delges"  wrote:

>
> On 26-janv.-07, at 19:01, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:
>
>> I just hauled my Motu 2408 out of the closet to give my old G4 a
>> voice.  I
>> updated to the current driver download from Motu and erased what I
>> could
>> identify of the old driver before I installed the new one. I'm running
>> Max/Msp 4.5.7 on OS 10.4.8 - all current I think for a PPC machine.
>> When I
>> run Audio Midi Setup, I can configure with eight output channels making
>> sound with the noise bursts.  When I go into Max, I get only the first
>> two
>> channels from the 2408 although I am outputting dac~ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8.
>
> This may be too obvious but, on a Mac, there is a MOTU application
> installed in your Applications folder (something called MOTU AudioSetup
> or something) to configure the soundcard and choose the physical i/o of
> each three 8 channels groups. BUt as it works in AudioMIDISetup, it
> probably means the card is correctly configured.
> I never did any firmware update of our 3 2408 and never heard about
> such an update (not for mk1 nor for mk2).
>
> p
>


I finally have access again to our 2408: firmware version is 1.1 hw 1.4 

(don't know if it's the 2408 or pci424 version).

Which outputs do work? The one chosen as default? What if you change 

the routing in Max' DSP settings? If you use another port on the 

On 27 janv. 07, at 13:54, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:

> Thanks for your reply, Patrick. For the 2408 the app is called MOTU PCI

> Audio Console and it appears to be configured correctly. It is 

> I tested with SuperCollider. When you boot it's servers, SC displays 

> audio devices that are available including the number of channels in 

> SC says there are only two channels in the 2408 but a test patch with 

> plays all 8. Going back to Max I still get only two. I have SC and 

> Midi Setup open at the same time and they happily play together on 8

> channels. Could it be, dare I say, a problem in Max?

> On 1/26/07 7:58 PM, "Patrick Delges" wrote:

>> On 26-janv.-07, at 19:01, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:

>>> I just hauled my Motu 2408 out of the closet to give my old G4 a

>>> updated to the current driver download from Motu and erased what I

>>> identify of the old driver before I installed the new one. I'm 

>>> Max/Msp 4.5.7 on OS 10.4.8 - all current I think for a PPC machine.

>>> run Audio Midi Setup, I can configure with eight output channels 

>>> sound with the noise bursts. When I go into Max, I get only the 

>>> channels from the 2408 although I am outputting dac~ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8.

>> This may be too obvious but, on a Mac, there is a MOTU application

>> installed in your Applications folder (something called MOTU 

>> or something) to configure the soundcard and choose the physical i/o 

>> each three 8 channels groups. BUt as it works in AudioMIDISetup, it

>> probably means the card is correctly configured.

>> I never did any firmware update of our 3 2408 and never heard about

Centre de Recherches et de Formation Musicales de Wallonie asbl

I finally have access again to our 2408: firmware version is 1.1 hw 1.4 
(don't know if it's the 2408 or pci424 version).
Which outputs do work? The one chosen as default? What if you change 
the routing in Max' DSP settings? If you use another port on the 
pci324?

> Thanks for your reply, Patrick. For the 2408 the app is called MOTU PCI
> Audio Console and it appears to be configured correctly.  It is 
> helpful to
> know that it is not a firmware issue.
>
> I tested with SuperCollider.  When you boot it's servers, SC displays 
> the
> audio devices that are available including the number of channels in 
> each.
> SC says there are only two channels in the 2408 but a test patch with 
> PanAZ
> plays all 8.  Going back to Max I still get only two.  I have SC and 
> Audio
> Midi Setup open at the same time and they happily play together on 8
> channels.  Could it be, dare I say, a problem in Max?
>
> Cheers
> Gary Lee Nelson
> Oberlin College
> www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson
>
>
> On 1/26/07 7:58 PM, "Patrick Delges"  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 26-janv.-07, at 19:01, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:
>>
>>> I just hauled my Motu 2408 out of the closet to give my old G4 a
>>> voice.  I
>>> updated to the current driver download from Motu and erased what I
>>> could
>>> identify of the old driver before I installed the new one. I'm 
>>> running
>>> Max/Msp 4.5.7 on OS 10.4.8 - all current I think for a PPC machine.
>>> When I
>>> run Audio Midi Setup, I can configure with eight output channels 
>>> making
>>> sound with the noise bursts.  When I go into Max, I get only the 
>>> first
>>> two
>>> channels from the 2408 although I am outputting dac~ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8.
>>
>> This may be too obvious but, on a Mac, there is a MOTU application
>> installed in your Applications folder (something called MOTU 
>> AudioSetup
>> or something) to configure the soundcard and choose the physical i/o 
>> of
>> each three 8 channels groups. BUt as it works in AudioMIDISetup, it
>> probably means the card is correctly configured.
>> I never did any firmware update of our 3 2408 and never heard about
>> such an update (not for mk1 nor for mk2).
>
_____________________________
Patrick Delges

Centre de Recherches et de Formation Musicales de Wallonie asbl
http://users.skynet.be/crfmw/max


> Audio Console and it appears to be configured correctly. It is helpful to

> I tested with SuperCollider. When you boot it's servers, SC displays the

> audio devices that are available including the number of channels in each.

> SC says there are only two channels in the 2408 but a test patch with PanAZ

> plays all 8. Going back to Max I still get only two. I have SC and Audio

Did you check the I/O mappings in DPS Status? It might still remeber 

some remapping from an old install. Sometime I map the outputs if I have 

You can also listen if its remapped, I have a St.estSpeakers abstraction 

which outputs spoken words for each channel in three languages. Much 

better than any common noise or oscillator to test speakers, you'll spot 

immediatly remapping and switched channels, and soundproblems as well. 

As Humans our ears are still best suited for speech...

Gary Lee Nelson wrote:
> Thanks for your reply, Patrick. For the 2408 the app is called MOTU PCI
> Audio Console and it appears to be configured correctly.  It is helpful to
> know that it is not a firmware issue.
>
> I tested with SuperCollider.  When you boot it's servers, SC displays the
> audio devices that are available including the number of channels in each.
> SC says there are only two channels in the 2408 but a test patch with PanAZ
> plays all 8.  Going back to Max I still get only two.  I have SC and Audio
> Midi Setup open at the same time and they happily play together on 8
> channels.  Could it be, dare I say, a problem in Max?

Did you check the I/O mappings in DPS Status? It might still remeber 
some remapping from an old install. Sometime I map the outputs if I have 
less speakers than in the concert...

You can also listen if its remapped, I have a St.estSpeakers abstraction 
which outputs spoken words for each channel in three languages. Much 
better than any common noise or oscillator to test speakers, you'll spot 
immediatly remapping and switched channels, and soundproblems as well. 
As Humans our ears are still best suited for speech...

-- 
Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
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As I said in another post, Max 4.6 fixed the problem. DP was OK too so it

On 1/29/07 8:05 AM, "Stefan Tiedje" wrote:

>> Thanks for your reply, Patrick. For the 2408 the app is called MOTU PCI

>> Audio Console and it appears to be configured correctly. It is helpful to

>> I tested with SuperCollider. When you boot it's servers, SC displays the

>> audio devices that are available including the number of channels in each.

>> SC says there are only two channels in the 2408 but a test patch with PanAZ

>> plays all 8. Going back to Max I still get only two. I have SC and Audio

>> Midi Setup open at the same time and they happily play together on 8

>> channels. Could it be, dare I say, a problem in Max?

> Did you check the I/O mappings in DPS Status? It might still remeber

> some remapping from an old install. Sometime I map the outputs if I have

> You can also listen if its remapped, I have a St.estSpeakers abstraction

> which outputs spoken words for each channel in three languages. Much

> better than any common noise or oscillator to test speakers, you'll spot

> immediatly remapping and switched channels, and soundproblems as well.

> As Humans our ears are still best suited for speech...

As I said in another post, Max 4.6 fixed the problem.  DP was OK too so it
must have been something in Max 4.5.

On 1/29/07 8:05 AM, "Stefan Tiedje"  wrote:

> Gary Lee Nelson wrote:
>> Thanks for your reply, Patrick. For the 2408 the app is called MOTU PCI
>> Audio Console and it appears to be configured correctly.  It is helpful to
>> know that it is not a firmware issue.
>>
>> I tested with SuperCollider.  When you boot it's servers, SC displays the
>> audio devices that are available including the number of channels in each.
>> SC says there are only two channels in the 2408 but a test patch with PanAZ
>> plays all 8.  Going back to Max I still get only two.  I have SC and Audio
>> Midi Setup open at the same time and they happily play together on 8
>> channels.  Could it be, dare I say, a problem in Max?
>
> Did you check the I/O mappings in DPS Status? It might still remeber
> some remapping from an old install. Sometime I map the outputs if I have
> less speakers than in the concert...
>
> You can also listen if its remapped, I have a St.estSpeakers abstraction
> which outputs spoken words for each channel in three languages. Much
> better than any common noise or oscillator to test speakers, you'll spot
> immediatly remapping and switched channels, and soundproblems as well.
> As Humans our ears are still best suited for speech...
>
> Stefan

Tried all of that before I posted but Max 4.6 fixed it.

On 1/29/07 3:25 AM, "Patrick Delges" wrote:

> I finally have access again to our 2408: firmware version is 1.1 hw 1.4

> (don't know if it's the 2408 or pci424 version).

> Which outputs do work? The one chosen as default? What if you change

> the routing in Max' DSP settings? If you use another port on the

> On 27 janv. 07, at 13:54, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:

>> Audio Console and it appears to be configured correctly. It is

>> I tested with SuperCollider. When you boot it's servers, SC displays

>> audio devices that are available including the number of channels in

>> SC says there are only two channels in the 2408 but a test patch with

>> plays all 8. Going back to Max I still get only two. I have SC and

>> On 1/26/07 7:58 PM, "Patrick Delges" wrote:

>>> On 26-janv.-07, at 19:01, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:

>>>> I just hauled my Motu 2408 out of the closet to give my old G4 a

>>>> updated to the current driver download from Motu and erased what I

>>>> identify of the old driver before I installed the new one. I'm

>>>> Max/Msp 4.5.7 on OS 10.4.8 - all current I think for a PPC machine.

>>>> run Audio Midi Setup, I can configure with eight output channels

>>>> sound with the noise bursts. When I go into Max, I get only the

On 1/29/07 3:25 AM, "Patrick Delges"  wrote:

> I finally have access again to our 2408: firmware version is 1.1 hw 1.4
> (don't know if it's the 2408 or pci424 version).
> Which outputs do work? The one chosen as default? What if you change
> the routing in Max' DSP settings? If you use another port on the
> pci324?
>
> p
>
> On 27 janv. 07, at 13:54, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your reply, Patrick. For the 2408 the app is called MOTU PCI
>> Audio Console and it appears to be configured correctly.  It is
>> helpful to
>> know that it is not a firmware issue.
>>
>> I tested with SuperCollider.  When you boot it's servers, SC displays
>> the
>> audio devices that are available including the number of channels in
>> each.
>> SC says there are only two channels in the 2408 but a test patch with
>> PanAZ
>> plays all 8.  Going back to Max I still get only two.  I have SC and
>> Audio
>> Midi Setup open at the same time and they happily play together on 8
>> channels.  Could it be, dare I say, a problem in Max?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Gary Lee Nelson
>> Oberlin College
>> www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson
>>
>>
>> On 1/26/07 7:58 PM, "Patrick Delges"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 26-janv.-07, at 19:01, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just hauled my Motu 2408 out of the closet to give my old G4 a
>>>> voice.  I
>>>> updated to the current driver download from Motu and erased what I
>>>> could
>>>> identify of the old driver before I installed the new one. I'm
>>>> running
>>>> Max/Msp 4.5.7 on OS 10.4.8 - all current I think for a PPC machine.
>>>> When I
>>>> run Audio Midi Setup, I can configure with eight output channels
>>>> making
>>>> sound with the noise bursts.  When I go into Max, I get only the
>>>> first
>>>> two
>>>> channels from the 2408 although I am outputting dac~ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8.
>>>
>>> This may be too obvious but, on a Mac, there is a MOTU application
>>> installed in your Applications folder (something called MOTU
>>> AudioSetup
>>> or something) to configure the soundcard and choose the physical i/o
>>> of
>>> each three 8 channels groups. BUt as it works in AudioMIDISetup, it
>>> probably means the card is correctly configured.
>>> I never did any firmware update of our 3 2408 and never heard about
>>> such an update (not for mk1 nor for mk2).
>>
> _____________________________
> Patrick Delges
>
> Centre de Recherches et de Formation Musicales de Wallonie asbl
> http://users.skynet.be/crfmw/max
>

> As I said in another post, Max 4.6 fixed the problem. DP was OK too so it

As 4.6 has different preferences as 4.5, it still might have been the 

reason. I am just curious if it was the case...

Gary Lee Nelson wrote:
> As I said in another post, Max 4.6 fixed the problem.  DP was OK too so it
> must have been something in Max 4.5.

As 4.6 has different preferences as 4.5, it still might have been the 
reason. I am just curious if it was the case...

As I said, my problem is solved but I will be happy to look for the source

of the problem in 4.5. Exactly where do you think I should look?

On 1/30/07 7:08 AM, "Stefan Tiedje" wrote:

>> As I said in another post, Max 4.6 fixed the problem. DP was OK too so it

> As 4.6 has different preferences as 4.5, it still might have been the

> reason. I am just curious if it was the case...

As I said, my problem is solved but I will be happy to look for the source
of the problem in 4.5.  Exactly where do you think I should look?

On 1/30/07 7:08 AM, "Stefan Tiedje"  wrote:

> Gary Lee Nelson wrote:
>> As I said in another post, Max 4.6 fixed the problem.  DP was OK too so it
>> must have been something in Max 4.5.
>
> As 4.6 has different preferences as 4.5, it still might have been the
> reason. I am just curious if it was the case...
>
> Stefan

> As I said, my problem is solved but I will be happy to look for the

> source of the problem in 4.5. Exactly where do you think I should

Gary Lee Nelson wrote:
> As I said, my problem is solved but I will be happy to look for the
> source of the problem in 4.5.  Exactly where do you think I should
> look?

On 2/1/07 5:18 AM, "Stefan Tiedje" wrote:

>> As I said, my problem is solved but I will be happy to look for the

>> source of the problem in 4.5. Exactly where do you think I should

> I/O Mappings in the DSP status patch...

Mappings were set only to ch 1-2 in 4.5 so I thought that was the problem

but in 4.6 they were set the same way and all 8 channels worked.

On 2/1/07 5:18 AM, "Stefan Tiedje"  wrote:

> Gary Lee Nelson wrote:
>> As I said, my problem is solved but I will be happy to look for the
>> source of the problem in 4.5.  Exactly where do you think I should
>> look?
>
> I/O Mappings in the DSP status patch...

Mappings were set only to ch 1-2 in 4.5 so I thought that was the problem
but in 4.6 they were set the same way and all 8 channels worked.

Motu 2408 PCI 324