julien breval

Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in Max/MSP, I am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision spectrogram visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a freeware.

- Audiosculpt (tried in 2003) : maybe the best sonogram viewer and processor, but quite difficult to buy

- Sonogram Visible Speech (tried five minutes ago on Windows) : it looks quite good, but it's outrageously slow (moreover the spectra is drawn every time you change the slightest parameter) - and the 3DSonogram ("perspectogram") doesn't work ; maye it's better on a Mac or Linux (?)

- of course Scilab can be used for repreasenting such data but if there's something that already works it will save me lots of time ...

Any others ? I am primarily interested in displaying the "image", though processing (non realtime only !) is welcome too.

Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in Max/MSP, I am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision spectrogram visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a freeware. 

off-topic-sonogram-visualisers

http://www.arizona-software.ch/applications/audioxplorer/en/

At 7:35 PM +0200 6/22/07, julienbreval wrote:

>Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in 

>Max/MSP, I am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision 

>spectrogram visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a 

202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X / Major 

AudioXplorer.  Source code available too:

At 7:35 PM +0200 6/22/07, julienbreval wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in 
>Max/MSP, I am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision 
>spectrogram visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a 
>freeware.

-- 
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Malfunction
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I believe audacity also has a sonogram view.

BTW how is audiosculpt difficult to buy? Do you mean expensive?

> Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in Max/MSP, I

> am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision spectrogram

> visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a freeware.

> - Audiosculpt (tried in 2003) : maybe the best sonogram viewer and

> - Sonogram Visible Speech (tried five minutes ago on Windows) : it looks

> quite good, but it's outrageously slow (moreover the spectra is drawn every

> time you change the slightest parameter) - and the 3DSonogram

> ("perspectogram") doesn't work ; maye it's better on a Mac or Linux (?)

> - of course Scilab can be used for repreasenting such data but if there's

> something that already works it will save me lots of time ...

> Any others ? I am primarily interested in displaying the "image", though

> processing (non realtime only !) is welcome too.

http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/    (It's slowish in my experience.)
I believe audacity also has a sonogram view.
BTW how is audiosculpt difficult to buy? Do you mean expensive?

On 22/06/07, julienbreval  wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in Max/MSP, I
> am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision spectrogram
> visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a freeware.
>
> Examples -
>
> - Audiosculpt (tried in 2003) : maybe the best sonogram viewer and
> processor, but quite difficult to buy
>
> - Sonogram Visible Speech (tried five minutes ago on Windows) : it looks
> quite good, but it's outrageously slow (moreover the spectra is drawn every
> time you change the slightest parameter) - and the 3DSonogram
> ("perspectogram") doesn't work ; maye it's better on a Mac or Linux (?)
>
> - of course Scilab can be used for repreasenting such data but if there's
> something that already works it will save me lots of time ...
>
>
> Any others ? I am primarily interested in displaying the "image", though
> processing (non realtime only !) is welcome too.
>
>
> J
>

Frequency, Amadeus II and AudioXplorer 1.2 (real-time), off the top 

On Jun 22, 2007, at 1:35 PM, julienbreval wrote:

> Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in Max/ 

> MSP, I am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision 

> spectrogram visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a 

> - Audiosculpt (tried in 2003) : maybe the best sonogram viewer and 

> - Sonogram Visible Speech (tried five minutes ago on Windows) : it 

> looks quite good, but it's outrageously slow (moreover the spectra 

> is drawn every time you change the slightest parameter) - and the 

> 3DSonogram ("perspectogram") doesn't work ; maye it's better on a 

> - of course Scilab can be used for repreasenting such data but if 

> there's something that already works it will save me lots of time ...

> Any others ? I am primarily interested in displaying the "image", 

> though processing (non realtime only !) is welcome too.

"Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

Frequency, Amadeus II and AudioXplorer 1.2 (real-time), off the top  
of my head. oh, mac based only i think.
Amadeus is my favorite.
cheers
b

>
> Hello,
>
> Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in Max/ 
> MSP, I am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision  
> spectrogram visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a  
> freeware.
>
> Examples -
>
> - Audiosculpt (tried in 2003) : maybe the best sonogram viewer and  
> processor, but quite difficult to buy
>
> - Sonogram Visible Speech (tried five minutes ago on Windows) : it  
> looks quite good, but it's outrageously slow (moreover the spectra  
> is drawn every time you change the slightest parameter) - and the  
> 3DSonogram ("perspectogram") doesn't work ; maye it's better on a  
> Mac or Linux (?)
>
> - of course Scilab can be used for repreasenting such data but if  
> there's something that already works it will save me lots of time ...
>
>
> Any others ? I am primarily interested in displaying the "image",  
> though processing (non realtime only !) is welcome too.
>
>
> J

"Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Douglas Adams


> Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in Max/MSP, I am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision spectrogram visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a freeware. 

> Any others ? I am primarily interested in displaying the "image", though processing (non realtime only !) is welcome too.

>
> Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in Max/MSP, I am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision spectrogram visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a freeware. 
>
>
> Any others ? I am primarily interested in displaying the "image", though processing (non realtime only !) is welcome too.
>
>
>

http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp/raven/Raven.html

> > Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in Max/MSP, I am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision spectrogram visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a freeware.

> > Any others ? I am primarily interested in displaying the "image", though processing (non realtime only !) is welcome too.

> || michael f. zbyszynski -- molecular gastronimist

On 6/22/07, mzed  wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Besides the very useful realtime sonogram/spectrogram viewer in Max/MSP, I am looking for a (standalone) non-realtime high precision spectrogram visualiser, for either os x or win xp, if possible a freeware.
> >
> >
> > Any others ? I am primarily interested in displaying the "image", though processing (non realtime only !) is welcome too.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Also SPEAR:
>
> http://www.klingbeil.com/spear/
>
> mz
>
> --
> || michael f. zbyszynski -- molecular gastronimist
> || http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/
> || http://www.mikezed.com/
>
>
>
>

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Just one question, where can I download "Frequency" ? I couldn't find it

Quote: peimankhosravi@gmail.com wrote on Fri, 22 June 2007 20:00

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> BTW how is audiosculpt difficult to buy? Do you mean expensive?

Actually, IF I UNDERSTOOD THINGS CORRECTLY (not sure, so please correct me if I got wrong), for getting Audioscult from Ircam you have to be a member of the Ircam Forum. Among the different Ircam Forum suscription possibilities there is one called "Sound treatment software pack" that contains Audiosculpt, Diphone and Modalys. Subscribing for a year costs 240 euros (120 for students), then you have to subscribe again (it's 30% cheaper though) ...

So if you need Audiosculpt for 5 years it should cost :

240(1+0.7x4) = 912 euros (if it's 30% only the first time)

240(1+0.7+0.49+0.343+0.2401) ~= 666 euros (30% each year)

Quote: peimankhosravi@gmail.com wrote on Fri, 22 June 2007 20:00
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> BTW how is audiosculpt difficult to buy? Do you mean expensive?
----------------------------------------------------

So if you need Audiosculpt for 5 years it should cost :
240(1+0.7x4) = 912 euros (if it's 30% only the first time)
or
240(1+0.7+0.49+0.343+0.2401) ~= 666 euros (30% each year)


> I'm not a member (yet) of the forum, but I think that once you 

> bought it, you'll be able to use it without subscribing every year. 

> You'll have to re-subscribe if you want to receive the future 

> updates, though. That's how I understood it, at least. I'm almost 

> sure this is the way it works but a confirm by some who was a 

yeah that's something like that, I think. If you want updates, you'll 

have to subscribe again. I'm not a ircam forum expert though ;)

> I'm not a member (yet) of the forum, but I think that once you  
> bought it, you'll be able to use it without subscribing every year.  
> You'll have to re-subscribe if you want to receive the future  
> updates, though. That's how I understood it, at least. I'm almost  
> sure this is the way it works but a confirm by some who was a  
> member would be nice.

yeah that's something like that, I think. If you want updates, you'll  
have to subscribe again. I'm not a ircam forum expert though ;)

Well I will ask the Ircam on Monday and tell you about how it is exactly.

After some tests I think it's going to be either Scilab or Audiosculpt

Sonogram Visible Speech is pretty good on OS X, and probably the most accurate among the freewares.

Also, the Perspectogram works if your file is not too long (1 second is OK, even at high FFT resolution ; 10 seconds is far more difficult). Also, this is the only program (besides Audiosculpt) in which you can tune accurately all the FFT parameters.

The crucial problem of this program is that when you change almost any option, including zooming, the spectrum is automatically recalculated from scratch (so changing three parameters needs waiting three LONG times during which the spectra is calculated again). Even toggling the grid display on and off takes lots of time ... if the sound file is too long !

Recalculation should be manual only, it's almost impossible to use this program if not doing something else besides ("Force to quit" also helps when entering a wrong parameter).

Sonogram Visible Speech is pretty good on OS X, and probably the most accurate among the freewares.
Also, the Perspectogram works if your file is not too long (1 second is OK, even at high FFT resolution ; 10 seconds is far more difficult). Also, this is the only program (besides Audiosculpt) in which you can tune accurately all the FFT parameters.

The crucial problem of this program is that when you change almost any option, including zooming, the spectrum is automatically recalculated from scratch (so changing three parameters needs waiting three LONG times during which the spectra is calculated again). Even toggling the grid display on and off takes lots of time ... if the sound file is too long !
Recalculation should be manual only, it's almost impossible to use this program if not doing something else besides ("Force to quit" also helps when entering a wrong parameter).


I have been an Ircam forum member for two years now. You can keep on using

the software for as long as you want. To get the updates you need to

subscribe again. But also you don't have to have a forum membership I think

you can just buy one package (sound treatment for audiosculpt).

> Sonogram Visible Speech is pretty good on OS X, and probably the most

> Also, the Perspectogram works if your file is not too long (1 second is

> OK, even at high FFT resolution ; 10 seconds is far more difficult). Also,

> this is the only program (besides Audiosculpt) in which you can tune

> The crucial problem of this program is that when you change almost any

> option, including zooming, the spectrum is automatically recalculated from

> scratch (so changing three parameters needs waiting three LONG times during

> which the spectra is calculated again). Even toggling the grid display on

> and off takes lots of time ... if the sound file is too long !

> Recalculation should be manual only, it's almost impossible to use this

> program if not doing something else besides ("Force to quit" also helps when

I have been an Ircam forum member for two years now. You can keep on using
the software for as long as you want. To get the updates you need to
subscribe again. But also you don't have to have a forum membership I think
you can just buy one package (sound treatment for audiosculpt).

Hope that helps to clear things up.
Best
Peiman

On 23/06/07, julienbreval  wrote:
>
>
> Sonogram Visible Speech is pretty good on OS X, and probably the most
> accurate among the freewares.
> Also, the Perspectogram works if your file is not too long (1 second is
> OK, even at high FFT resolution ; 10 seconds is far more difficult). Also,
> this is the only program (besides Audiosculpt) in which you can tune
> accurately all the FFT parameters.
>
> The crucial problem of this program is that when you change almost any
> option, including zooming, the spectrum is automatically recalculated from
> scratch (so changing three parameters needs waiting three LONG times during
> which the spectra is calculated again). Even toggling the grid display on
> and off takes lots of time ... if the sound file is too long !
> Recalculation should be manual only, it's almost impossible to use this
> program if not doing something else besides ("Force to quit" also helps when
> entering a wrong parameter).
>

Quote: peimankhosravi@gmail.com wrote on Sat, 23 June 2007 03:09

> I have been an Ircam forum member for two years now. You can keep on using

> the software for as long as you want. To get the updates you need to

> subscribe again. But also you don't have to have a forum membership I think

> you can just buy one package (sound treatment for audiosculpt).

Yes, that's exactly what the Ircam told me on the phone.

Quote: peimankhosravi@gmail.com wrote on Sat, 23 June 2007 03:09
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> I have been an Ircam forum member for two years now. You can keep on using
> the software for as long as you want. To get the updates you need to
> subscribe again. But also you don't have to have a forum membership I think
> you can just buy one package (sound treatment for audiosculpt).
>
> Hope that helps to clear things up.
> Best
> Peiman
----------------------------------------------------

Yes, that's exactly what the Ircam told me on the phone.


> Quote: peimankhosravi@gmail.com wrote on Sat, 23 June 2007 03:09

> ----------------------------------------------------

> > I have been an Ircam forum member for two years now. You can keep on

> > the software for as long as you want. To get the updates you need to

> > subscribe again. But also you don't have to have a forum membership I

> > you can just buy one package (sound treatment for audiosculpt).

> Yes, that's exactly what the Ircam told me on the phone.

On 25/06/07, julienbreval  wrote:
>
>
> Quote: peimankhosravi@gmail.com wrote on Sat, 23 June 2007 03:09
> ----------------------------------------------------
> > I have been an Ircam forum member for two years now. You can keep on
> using
> > the software for as long as you want. To get the updates you need to
> > subscribe again. But also you don't have to have a forum membership I
> think
> > you can just buy one package (sound treatment for audiosculpt).
> >
> > Hope that helps to clear things up.
> > Best
> > Peiman
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Yes, that's exactly what the Ircam told me on the phone.
>

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http://www.arizona-software.ch/audioxplorer/

and I can add praat (if pratt is a different program)

That's far too much software to get to know and to use...

I would like to use a sonogram which can be scrolled over a time distance of more than a few seconds. And it would be wonderful, if pitch can be seen easily. Audio sculpt should do all this. Is there cheaper freeware with the same features?

Let me conclude:
There are lots of sonogram visualisers:
- Frequency
- Amadeus II
- AudioXplorer 1.2 (real-time) http://www.arizona-software.ch/audioxplorer/
- http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/
- http://www.klingbeil.com/spear/
- http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp/raven/Raven.html
- scilab
- Sonogram Visible Speech
- Pratt analyser, 
- Mixviews
 and I can add praat (if pratt is a different program)

That's far too much software to get to know and to use...
I would like to use a sonogram which can be scrolled over a time distance of more than a few seconds. And it would be wonderful, if pitch can be seen easily. Audio sculpt should do all this. Is there cheaper freeware with the same features?
Till


it's not cheap and it's only for Pc (I heard rumours that they are

porting it for OS X) but I think that the 'Spectral View' in Adobe

Audition is one of the best 'Sonogram like' views I used.

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/production/

> There are lots of sonogram visualisers:

> and I can add praat (if pratt is a different program)

> That's far too much software to get to know and to use...

> I would like to use a sonogram which can be scrolled over a time distance of more than a few seconds. And it would be wonderful, if pitch can be seen easily. Audio sculpt should do all this. Is there cheaper freeware with the same features?

it's not cheap and it's only for Pc (I heard rumours that they are
porting it for OS X) but I think that the 'Spectral View' in Adobe
Audition is one of the best 'Sonogram like' views I used.

2007/8/1, Till Knipper :
>
> Let me conclude:
> There are lots of sonogram visualisers:
> - Frequency
> - Amadeus II
> - AudioXplorer 1.2 (real-time) http://www.arizona-software.ch/audioxplorer/
> - http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/
> - http://www.klingbeil.com/spear/
> - http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp/raven/Raven.html
> - scilab
> - Sonogram Visible Speech
> - Pratt analyser,
> - Mixviews
>  and I can add praat (if pratt is a different program)
>
> That's far too much software to get to know and to use...
> I would like to use a sonogram which can be scrolled over a time distance of more than a few seconds. And it would be wonderful, if pitch can be seen easily. Audio sculpt should do all this. Is there cheaper freeware with the same features?
> Till
>

(off-topic) Sonogram visualisers