Kasper

I have an older pbook, a pismo (that's 333mghz) which runs OS9...

I am wondering if i can install an OSX on it...

__as it is I have no use for it (I have ketp an OS9 partition on a 

Titanium, so for the very few apps which I _could_ use on os 9, it's 

I would do it from an osX install DVD, with an external (USB) DVD player.....

did anyone try something like this?? can it work?? (the idea would 

be to use it for some very basic max and some primitive msp... just 

in case I need another machine - for instance a display, 

communicating by maxhole with the main msp mac)

__as it is I have no use for it (I have ketp an OS9 partition on a 
Titanium, so for the very few apps which I _could_ use on os 9, it's 
better)

did anyone try something like this??  can it work?? (the idea would 
be to use it for some very basic max and some primitive msp...  just 
in case I need another machine - for instance a display, 
communicating by maxhole with the main msp mac)

kasper
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ot-osx-on-pismo

Don't see why not...looks like Apple says it's ok (Pismo is the PowerBook G3 "FireWire" correct? They list having a firewire port as a requirement). They even sell a CD version of OSX to avoid the external USB DVD part of the equation (assuming you've got the CD drive):

http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/requirements.html

Perhaps someone else has actually tried it though and knows the pitfalls for sure....

Quote: Kasper T Toeplitz wrote on Sat, 27 January 2007 10:01

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> I have an older pbook, a pismo (that's 333mghz) which runs OS9...

> I am wondering if i can install an OSX on it...

Don't see why not...looks like Apple says it's ok (Pismo is the PowerBook G3 "FireWire" correct?  They list having a firewire port as a requirement).  They even sell a CD version of OSX to avoid the external USB DVD part of the equation (assuming you've got the CD drive):

Quote: Kasper T Toeplitz wrote on Sat, 27 January 2007 10:01
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> Hi
>
> I have an older pbook, a pismo (that's 333mghz) which runs OS9...
>
> I am wondering if i can install an OSX on it...
>
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>Don't see why not...looks like Apple says it's ok (Pismo is the 

>PowerBook G3 "FireWire" correct? They list having a firewire port 

>as a requirement). They even sell a CD version of OSX to avoid the 

>external USB DVD part of the equation (assuming you've got the CD 

>Don't see why not...looks like Apple says it's ok (Pismo is the 
>PowerBook G3 "FireWire" correct?  They list having a firewire port 
>as a requirement).  They even sell a CD version of OSX to avoid the 
>external USB DVD part of the equation (assuming you've got the CD 
>drive):
>
>http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/requirements.html
>

On 27-janv.-07, at 19:01, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

if it's only for basic Max/MSP stuff, why don't you just stay in OS9? 

It's so funny to have to work on older Max versions, and still have to 

use OMS, and choose which extensions the system will load ;-)

I'm afraid your pismo is a bit too small for OSX. I know it was 

possible to install the first OSX systems on a pismo, but I don't up to 

> for instance a display, communicating by maxhole with the main msp mac)

There are udp objects for older versions of Max. No need for Java!

> Hi
>
> I have an older pbook, a pismo (that's 333mghz) which runs OS9...

if it's only for basic Max/MSP stuff, why don't you just stay in OS9? 
It's so funny to have to work on older Max versions, and still have to 
use OMS, and choose which extensions the system will load ;-)

I'm afraid your pismo is a bit too small for OSX. I know it was 
possible to install the first OSX systems on a pismo, but I don't up to 
which version.

On 27 Jan 2007, at 18:01, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

If it's a Pismo ("PowerBook G3 Firewire") then it's either 400 or 

500MHz. I have one, and it's running 10.4.8 without any problems, 

although it's not what one could call a high-performance machine 

If it's a Pismo ("PowerBook G3 Firewire") then it's either 400 or  
500MHz. I have one, and it's running 10.4.8 without any problems,  
although it's not what one could call a high-performance machine  
these days.

>On 27 Jan 2007, at 18:01, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

>>I have an older pbook, a pismo (that's 333mghz) which runs OS9...

>If it's a Pismo ("PowerBook G3 Firewire") then it's either 400 or 

>500MHz. I have one, and it's running 10.4.8 without any problems, 

>although it's not what one could call a high-performance machine 

so maybe it"s not pismo - 333, and no fireWire (looks like a pismo, for sure)

>On 27 Jan 2007, at 18:01, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
>
>>I have an older pbook, a pismo (that's 333mghz) which runs OS9...
>
>If it's a Pismo ("PowerBook G3 Firewire") then it's either 400 or 
>500MHz. I have one, and it's running 10.4.8 without any problems, 
>although it's not what one could call a high-performance machine 
>these days.
>

On 27 Jan 2007, at 19:16, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

> so maybe it"s not pismo - 333, and no fireWire (looks like a pismo, 

SCSI and an optional Zip drive - how cool is that?

> so maybe it"s not pismo - 333, and no fireWire (looks like a pismo,  
> for sure)

Lombard. That's what I used for OS X for several years. It's very 

The story that now can be told: I did the entire testing of the first 

Carbon Litter Power for Max/MSP 4.2 on that machine.

So it does work. At least to Mac OS X 1.3.

On 27-Jan-2007, at 20:16, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

>> On 27 Jan 2007, at 18:01, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

>>> I have an older pbook, a pismo (that's 333mghz) which runs OS9...

>> If it's a Pismo ("PowerBook G3 Firewire") then it's either 400 or 

>> 500MHz. I have one, and it's running 10.4.8 without any problems, 

>> although it's not what one could call a high-performance machine 

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Lombard. That's what I used for OS X for several years. It's very  
slow but it works.

The story that now can be told: I did the entire testing of the first  
Carbon Litter Power for Max/MSP 4.2 on that machine.

>> On 27 Jan 2007, at 18:01, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
>>
>>> I have an older pbook, a pismo (that's 333mghz) which runs OS9...
>>
>> If it's a Pismo ("PowerBook G3 Firewire") then it's either 400 or  
>> 500MHz. I have one, and it's running 10.4.8 without any problems,  
>> although it's not what one could call a high-performance machine  
>> these days.
>>
>
> so maybe it"s not pismo - 333, and no fireWire (looks like a pismo,  
> for sure)
>
> thanks
>
> kasper
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>Lombard. That's what I used for OS X for several years. It's very 

in your opinion, should I keep OS 9 or upgrade to X ??

>Lombard. That's what I used for OS X for several years. It's very 
>slow but it works.
>

28/01/07, kl. 13:45 +0100 , skrev Kasper T Toeplitz:

Yes. OS 9 is really lightweigt . My Pismo 400MHz feels fast on OS 9, on

>in your opinion, should I keep OS 9 or upgrade to X ??

Don't upgrade if you can do what you wan't in OS 9.

>
>very slow means slower than with os9???
Yes. OS 9 is really lightweigt . My Pismo 400MHz feels fast on OS 9, on
OS X its crawling.

>
>in your opinion, should I keep OS 9 or upgrade to X ??
Don't upgrade if you can do what you wan't in OS 9.

>Don't upgrade if you can do what you wan't in OS 9.

actually i am trying to do someting with this machien (which i don't 

>
>Don't upgrade if you can do what you wan't in OS 9.
>

actually i am trying to do someting with this machien (which i don't 
use since a long time......)

On 28-Jan-2007, at 13:45, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

> very slow means slower than with os9???

> in your opinion, should I keep OS 9 or upgrade to X ??

At the time I got the Lombard as the least expensive machine that 

could possibly run OS X so I could test my externals. The fact that 

this configuration was a stress test was, for me, an added benefit. 

>
> in your opinion, should I keep OS 9 or upgrade to X ??

At the time I got the Lombard as the least expensive machine that  
could possibly run OS X so I could test my externals. The fact that  
this configuration was a stress test was, for me, an added benefit.  
For you it would not be a benefit.

Kasper, you already got 279 computers in your basement, why did you need 

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> >>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|

>> Don't upgrade if you can do what you wan't in OS 9.

> actually i am trying to do someting with this machien (which i don't 

Kasper, you already got 279 computers in your basement, why did you need 
this poor one too ? .-)

f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music
> >>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com
> >>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|

Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
>>
>> Don't upgrade if you can do what you wan't in OS 9.
>>
>
>
> actually i am trying to do someting with this machien (which i don't 
> use since a long time......)
>
> thanks
>
> kasper
>


> Kasper, you already got 279 computers in your basement, why did you 

> Kasper, you already got 279 computers in your basement, why did you 
> need this poor one too ? .-)

>> Kasper, you already got 279 computers in your basement, why did you 

Patrick Delges wrote:
>
> On 29 janv. 07, at 08:47, f.e wrote:
>
>> Kasper, you already got 279 computers in your basement, why did you 
>> need this poor one too ? .-)
>
> Maybe because a Lombard is black.
>
> p
>
>


When I switched from OS 9 to OS X, OS X was significantly slower, but OS 

X 10.4 is also faster than older versions.

Depends what you want to do with it, and whats more important: bells and 

whistles of Max 4.6 or can you live with 4.2...

If you got spare time to fiddle around you could also install Linux and 

Or you just might sell it on ebay and buy Ice or JMSL from the money. 

Old Powerbooks sell not bad in my experience (actually very well, even 

Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
> very slow means slower than with os9???

When I switched from OS 9 to OS X, OS X was significantly slower, but OS 
X 10.4 is also  faster than older versions.

Depends what you want to do with it, and whats more important: bells and 
whistles of Max 4.6 or can you live with 4.2...

If you got spare time to fiddle around you could also install Linux and 
run Pd...

Or you just might sell it on ebay and buy Ice or JMSL from the money. 
Old Powerbooks sell not bad in my experience (actually very well, even 
when they are broken...)

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>If you got spare time to fiddle around you could also install Linux 

this i s a little too much right now for me - i am struggling with 

OpenMusic already, still talking about learning javascript some day, 

have to get deeper into Reaktor and DP....

>Or you just might sell it on ebay and buy Ice or JMSL from the 

>money. Old Powerbooks sell not bad in my experience (actually very 

To sell the first computer which could be used as a real instrument?? 

are you crazy?? I always regreated selling my very first bass!!

>
>If you got spare time to fiddle around you could also install Linux 
>and run Pd...

this i s a little too much right now for me - i am struggling with 
OpenMusic already, still talking about learning javascript some day, 
have to get deeper into Reaktor and DP....

>
>Or you just might sell it on ebay and buy Ice or JMSL from the 
>money. Old Powerbooks sell not bad in my experience (actually very 
>well, even when they are broken...)

To sell the first computer which could be used as a real instrument?? 
are you crazy?? I always regreated selling my very first bass!!

On 29-Jan-2007, at 13:51, Stefan Tiedje wrote:

>> very slow means slower than with os9???

> When I switched from OS 9 to OS X, OS X was significantly slower, 

> but OS X 10.4 is also faster than older versions.

But it will be quite difficult to get 10.4 to install on a mahcine 

that has neither Firewire nor a built-in DVD drive. The Lombard is 

not officially supported. There may be some hack that allows you to 

install 10.4 on this hardware, but I don't know if it's worth the 

> Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
>> very slow means slower than with os9???
>
> When I switched from OS 9 to OS X, OS X was significantly slower,  
> but OS X 10.4 is also  faster than older versions.

But it will be quite difficult to get 10.4 to install on a mahcine  
that has neither Firewire nor a built-in DVD drive. The Lombard is  
not officially supported. There may be some hack that allows you to  
install 10.4 on this hardware, but I don't know if it's worth the  
effort.

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it appearantly can work with panther or tiger:

http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?t=25997

there was this program called xpostfacto, which helps installing os x on

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/11168

if its worth doing? thats a different question, though...

> On 29-Jan-2007, at 13:51, Stefan Tiedje wrote:

> >> very slow means slower than with os9???

> > When I switched from OS 9 to OS X, OS X was significantly slower,

> > but OS X 10.4 is also faster than older versions.

> But it will be quite difficult to get 10.4 to install on a mahcine

> that has neither Firewire nor a built-in DVD drive. The Lombard is

> not officially supported. There may be some hack that allows you to

> install 10.4 on this hardware, but I don't know if it's worth the

> Peter Castine +--> Litter Power & Litter Bundle for Jitter

> Interface Building for |home | chez nous|

> Max/MSP Extremely cool |bei uns | i nostri|

it appearantly can work with panther or tiger:
http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?t=25997
there was this program called xpostfacto, which helps installing os x on
unsupported machines: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/11168

hth
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Zitat von Peter Castine :

> On 29-Jan-2007, at 13:51, Stefan Tiedje wrote:
>
> > Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
> >> very slow means slower than with os9???
> >
> > When I switched from OS 9 to OS X, OS X was significantly slower,
> > but OS X 10.4 is also  faster than older versions.
>
> But it will be quite difficult to get 10.4 to install on a mahcine
> that has neither Firewire nor a built-in DVD drive. The Lombard is
> not officially supported. There may be some hack that allows you to
> install 10.4 on this hardware, but I don't know if it's worth the
> effort.
>
>
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>
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> this i s a little too much right now...

Oh I forgot the smileys... ;-)))) I know you are a busy man...

Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
> this i s a little too much right now...

[OT] osX on Pismo??