bart at max (also BITter)

Because Mac Mini is too expensive, i am on the search for a PC Mini.

This to keep installations compact and easy to transport.

But i am a PC dummy, so here my question:

# Which mini PC computers can handle all Max/MSP/Jitter possibilities well?

# Which mini PC computers have a good graphic card?

Because Mac Mini is too expensive, i am on the search for a PC Mini.
This to keep installations compact and easy to transport. 

But i am a PC dummy, so here my question:
# Which mini PC computers can handle all Max/MSP/Jitter possibilities well?
# Which mini PC computers have a good graphic card? 

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all Max/MSP/Jitter possibilities? What do you mean by this?

Meanly Jitter functionalities: video, shaders and 3d (OpenGL), so in the need of a +- descend graphic card.

Not to do "heavy" video and graphics, but still video and graphics.

Do you or somebody has experience with mini pc computers and Jitter?

I live in Belgium, somewhere in the middle of Europe. :)

My research till now, but the good ones have +- the same price as a MacMini:

# Intel NUC D54250WYK ---> Intel HD graphic card 5000 ---> Ok for Jitter shaders and OpenGL?

http://www.computerstore.be/product/379239/intel-nuc-kit-d54250wyk.html#product_specifications

# ZOTAC ZBOX nano XS ---> Seams ok for the price, but ok for Jitter?

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/zotac-redefines-mini-pc-form-factor-with-extra-small-zbox-nano-xs.163984/

# Asrock VisionX 321B ---> Good but too expensive.

http://www.asrock.com/nettop/Intel/VisionX%20Series/

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/NVIDIAs-Ion-Small-FormFactor-PC-Platform-/

# Acer Aspire Revo R3600 ---> Not good enough, i think.

http://www.zdnet.be/acer/105377/acer-aspire-revo-r3600/

Meanly Jitter functionalities: video, shaders and 3d (OpenGL), so in the need of a +- descend graphic card.
Not to do "heavy" video and graphics, but still video and graphics. 

Do you or somebody has experience with mini pc computers and Jitter?  

I live in Belgium, somewhere in the middle of Europe. :) 

My research till now, but the good ones have +- the same price as a MacMini:
# Intel NUC D54250WYK ---> Intel HD graphic card 5000 ---> Ok for Jitter shaders and OpenGL?
http://www.computerstore.be/product/379239/intel-nuc-kit-d54250wyk.html#product_specifications
# ZOTAC ZBOX nano XS ---> Seams ok for the price, but ok for Jitter?
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/zotac-redefines-mini-pc-form-factor-with-extra-small-zbox-nano-xs.163984/
# Asrock VisionX 321B ---> Good but too expensive.
http://www.asrock.com/nettop/Intel/VisionX%20Series/
# NVIDIA Ion PC ---> Not yet available?
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/NVIDIAs-Ion-Small-FormFactor-PC-Platform-/
# Acer Aspire Revo R3600 ---> Not good enough, i think.
http://www.zdnet.be/acer/105377/acer-aspire-revo-r3600/


You can build yourself a mini-ITX system with a decent graphics card in it. You'll need that for advanced Jitter work. Though depending on your needs CPU-integrated graphics can work fine. Really hard to say without concrete stuff to test.

Lots of examples in the hackintosh community:

http://www.tonymacx86.com/search.php?googleSearch=itx%20build

(You don't necessarily need to hackintosh, just use the builds for component inspiration)

Lots of examples in the hackintosh community:
http://www.tonymacx86.com/golden-builds/
http://www.tonymacx86.com/search.php?googleSearch=itx%20build
(You don't necessarily need to hackintosh, just use the builds for component inspiration)


Thanks. I have already read about the ITX systems but not yet looked into it.

But no time to build one, the project has to be finished beginning of februari and still a lot of Max programming to do. That "MiniMacPro" looks amazing: 

http://www.tonymacx86.com/golden-builds/84975-bitdoctors-minimacpro-build-intel-core-i7-3770-gigabyte-ga-h77n-wifi-hd-4000-16-gb-256-gb-ssd.html

Yes graphic card have to be a descend one.

Maybe the best bet for now is to buy a not too old secondhand MacMini, after all?

What do you think about the ones i have mentioned above?

Thanks. I have already read about the ITX systems but not yet looked into it.
But no time to build one, the project has to be finished beginning of februari and still a lot of Max programming to do. That "MiniMacPro" looks amazing: http://www.tonymacx86.com/golden-builds/84975-bitdoctors-minimacpro-build-intel-core-i7-3770-gigabyte-ga-h77n-wifi-hd-4000-16-gb-256-gb-ssd.html

Yes graphic card have to be a descend one.
Maybe the best bet for now is to buy a not too old secondhand MacMini, after all? 

What do you think about the ones i have mentioned above?


Well again, without knowing how heavy your system is it's hard to adivse.

Not to do “heavy” video and graphics, but still video and graphics.

Sounds like high-level integrated graphics could do but really can't be sure.

Meanly Jitter functionalities: video, shaders and 3d (OpenGL), so in the need of a +- descend graphic card.
Not to do “heavy” video and graphics, but still video and graphics. 

Sounds like high-level integrated graphics could do but really can't be sure.


Btw, did you test on a mac mini? If you did and it worked than just look for similar specs as the one you tested on.

No Mac Mini to test for the moment. (that's why i wanna buy one, or a PC Mini)

I only wanna be sure that Jitter will work properly on the one that i will buy.

When Jitter works on it, but it's slow, then i will adapt the complexity till it runs smooth.

But it seams that i will have to search for a good secondhand MacMini.

If someone has used one of the above mentioned or another mini PC computer, please let me know your experience.

No Mac Mini to test for the moment. (that's why i wanna buy one, or a PC Mini)
I only wanna be sure that Jitter will work properly on the one that i will buy.
When Jitter works on it, but it's slow, then i will adapt the complexity till it runs smooth.
But it seams that i will have to search for a good secondhand MacMini. 

If someone has used one of the above mentioned or another mini PC computer, please let me know your experience. 

If going for a macmini type thing (ie. integrated graphics), then better get the Intel NUC instead. It looks like on par with or better than the current line of new macmini's.

On closer inspection, looks like it doesn't come with RAM memory, HD/SSD drive and wifi included. Gets near the price of a macmini with those extras.

If going for a macmini type thing (ie. integrated graphics), then better get the Intel NUC instead. It looks like on par with or better than the current line of new macmini's. 

On closer inspection, looks like it doesn't come with RAM memory, HD/SSD drive and wifi included. Gets near the price of a macmini with those extras.


Ok. Yes, that Intel NUC seams good, but like you say, with the needed extras same price like a Mac Mini. I start looking for a not too old second hand Mac Mini.

the mac mini is a great box, I'm sure you can find some great offers out there.

Note that if you get one of the slightly older ones they'll have the whats-it-called "superdrive", which can be replaced with a secondary drive, like an ssd, for instance. Very cool.

the mac mini is a great box, I'm sure you can find some great offers out there. 

Note that if you get one of the slightly older ones they'll have the whats-it-called "superdrive", which can be replaced with a secondary drive, like an ssd, for instance. Very cool.


Ok, thanks. I go for the second hand Mac Mini.

My MacBook Pro's superdrive is also already replaced with an extra big HD, system is on SSD.

Ok, thanks. I go for the second hand Mac Mini.
My MacBook Pro's superdrive is also already replaced with an extra big HD, system is on SSD.


I'm thinking of building a hackintosh computer that I can dual boot both OS X and Windows and maybe Linux.

I'm curious what is the bare minimum specs required to run a interactive 3-4 channel video installation?

I'd like it to be a utility machine that I can dedicate for video installations.

I'm curious what is the bare minimum specs required to run a  interactive 3-4 channel video installation?

I'd like it to be a utility machine that I can dedicate for video installations.


 is available on amazon and walmart i just purcahed one for myself.

pc mini is available on amazon and walmart i just purcahed one for myself.

PC Mini that can handle all Jitter possibilities well