rcimitile

What are my options and what is my best bet for purchasing a pedal to control Max/MSP?

pedal-to-control-maxmsp

You will need a pedal, MIDI interface and a MIDI controller or MIDI keyboard to do that. Unfortunately, then you will have carry three more stuff when going to a conference or a performance.

There is some mini USB keyboard, like "Oxygen". If you have one, you don't need extra MIDI interface and it is easy to carry. You can even use the MIDI faders on it.

Kenton ControlFreak, Behringer BCR/BCF 2000, Evolution UC33e

You will need a pedal, MIDI interface and a MIDI controller or MIDI keyboard to do that. Unfortunately, then you will have carry three more stuff when going to a conference or a performance. 

Other equipments are also good:
Kenton ControlFreak, Behringer BCR/BCF 2000, Evolution UC33e


Quote: Cheng Chien-Wen wrote on Wed, 28 June 2006 06:10

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> You will need a pedal, MIDI interface and a MIDI controller or MIDI keyboard to do that. Unfortunately, then you will have carry three more stuff when going to a conference or a performance. 

You seem to be forgetting the fact that there are many midi controllers that are already foot pedals. One doesn't need to buy an additional midi controller at all.

I suggest taking a good long look at the Behringer FCB1010 and something like the midiSport usb midi interfaces. It'll all fit in a big backpack with a laptop, and it'll give you oodles of control.

Quote: Cheng Chien-Wen wrote on Wed, 28 June 2006 06:10
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> You will need a pedal, MIDI interface and a MIDI controller or MIDI keyboard to do that. Unfortunately, then you will have carry three more stuff when going to a conference or a performance. 
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You seem to be forgetting the fact that there are many midi controllers that are already foot pedals. One doesn't need to buy an additional midi controller at all.

of all check out ready made pedals which normally plug into midi 

there are direct usb pedals and buttons for the disabled. "usb pedal" 

if you've got an extra usb keyboard/mouse lying around, I would 

assume(correct me if I'm wrong) that you could pry off a key and wire 

a switch to it. then use the hi object. this is really not a 

someone once suggested just putting a mouse on the floor.

Obvious:
of all check out ready made pedals which normally plug into midi  
keyboards.
check out midi pedal boards
there are direct usb pedals and buttons for the disabled. "usb pedal"  
or "usb big button"

Cheap, creative:
  if you've got an extra usb keyboard/mouse lying around, I would  
assume(correct me if I'm wrong) that you could pry off a key and wire  
a switch to it. then use the hi object.  this is really not a  
desirable option.

someone once suggested just putting a mouse on the floor.


ENGL - Z12 : the most beautiful, classy foot controller on earth (and 

mars). Don't look at the black one, but the vintage steel one. Sends PGM 

changes, so you may use [pgmin] with [sel] and you're on.

f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music

> >>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|

ENGL - Z12 : the most beautiful, classy foot controller on earth (and 
mars). Don't look at the black one, but the vintage steel one. Sends PGM 
changes, so you may use [pgmin] with [sel] and you're on.

f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music
> >>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com
> >>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|


actuallly the rolls of them all is the Roland FC 200 - sends anything 

you would need (CC, notes, program changes....) you can hok up to 8 

external controllers, has a build in expression pedal, is 

programmable. Is also bulky and expensive

the behringer is good and cheap - but has less possibilities (no 

I use quite often the Boss FC50 - program changes, 4 external 

Doepfer makes a kit which works very well - and is rather cheap

actuallly the rolls of them all is the Roland FC 200 - sends anything 
you would need (CC, notes, program changes....) you can hok up to 8 
external controllers, has a build in expression pedal, is 
programmable. Is also bulky and expensive

the behringer is good and cheap - but has less possibilities (no 
external controllers)

I use quite often the Boss FC50 - program changes, 4 external 
controllers (2 of them being continous)

kasper
-- 
  Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer
http://www.sleazeArt.com

I used to use a big ole pedal board like the boss fc50, but that was 

bulky. so i got a miditron and some parts from radio shack and made a 

much smaller foot controller situation. just two switches and 

of course i already use a 4x4 midi interface for my other controllers...

miditron and pedalboard cost me about the same. but miditron can do 

I used to use a big ole pedal board like the boss fc50,  but that was 
bulky.  so i got a miditron and some parts from radio shack and made a 
much smaller foot controller situation. just two switches and 
(sometimes)an expression pedal.

miditron and pedalboard cost me about the same.  but miditron can do 
things the pedal board cannot.


If you've got a multi-channel audio i/o, just send an audio signal (cycle~) from MSP to a volume control pedal and send the output back into the i/o and read the level with peakamp~.

I use a signal with frequency 1/8th the sample rate, which gives peakamp~ at least one complete cycle to read. I get better than 10 bits equivalent resolution and better than MIDI sample rate and lag.

I also use an "expression pedal" wired as a volume control - this gives a linear response so I don't need to flatten out the log response of a volume control pot for a nice control linearity.

>I also use an "expression pedal" wired as a volume control - this 

>gives a linear response so I don't need to flatten out the log 

>response of a volume control pot for a nice control linearity.

wired as a volume control? you mean the hardware?? or some trick in max???

>I also use an "expression pedal" wired as a volume control - this 
>gives a linear response so I don't need to flatten out the log 
>response of a volume control pot for a nice control linearity.

could you tell more??
wired as a volume control? you mean the hardware?? or some trick in max???

-- 
  Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer
http://www.sleazeArt.com

I do this same thing (sine wave with peakamp) with a roland EV-5. To 

wire it up, I use a little hosa adaptor that turns the trs plug on the 

ev-5 into two quarter-inch plugs and run one into an input, and one 

into an ouptut. Very light and portable. I have five ev-5s wired into 

my audio interface this way to control max/msp live. Works awesome.

I do this same thing (sine wave with peakamp) with a roland EV-5. To 
wire it up, I use a little hosa adaptor that turns the trs plug on the 
ev-5 into two quarter-inch plugs and run one into an input, and one 
into an ouptut. Very light and portable. I have five ev-5s wired into 
my audio interface this way to control max/msp live. Works awesome.

Jeff Kaiser
http://www.jeffkaiser.com
pfMENTUM.com � AngryVegan.com


but you mean than the "response" of an expression pedal is different 

I very often use VOLUME pedals (boss VL6O) as expressions (with an 

but you mean than the "response" of an expression pedal is different 
from a volume pedal???

I very often use VOLUME pedals (boss VL6O) as expressions (with an 
"insert" jack)

Yes, I tried the same thing with a guitar volume pedal, I believe it 

was an Ernie Ball or a Dunlop.....and the response was not linear at 

all, volume would change slow at the heel and fast at the toe. The EV5 

Yes, I tried the same thing with a guitar volume pedal, I believe it 
was an Ernie Ball or a Dunlop.....and the response was not linear at 
all, volume would change slow at the heel and fast at the toe. The EV5 
is very linear.

Jeff Kaiser
http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com
pfMENTUM.com � AngryVegan.com


Quote: rcimitile wrote on Tue, 27 June 2006 20:26

> What are my options and what is my best bet for purchasing a pedal to control Max/MSP?

http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/powermate/

Quote: rcimitile wrote on Tue, 27 June 2006 20:26
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> What are my options and what is my best bet for purchasing a pedal to control Max/MSP?
>
> Thanks
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Sorry for the slightly OT, but speaking of pedals, I am looking for a 

balanced stereo volume pedal (yes, 2 trs or xlr in and out) to put at 

the output of my soundcard. Anybody have one? I cannot find 

ps No, I don't want to put a control pedal in the virtual world... I 

want a master fader after all the MSP stuff!

Sorry for the slightly OT, but speaking of pedals, I am looking for a  
balanced stereo volume pedal (yes, 2 trs or xlr in and out) to put at  
the output of my soundcard.  Anybody have one?  I cannot find  
anything on the net to help.

ps No, I don't want to put a control pedal in the virtual world... I  
want a master fader after all the MSP stuff!


If they dont sell such and object you could make a hack:

take apart a mono pedal. put matched pots in the place of the one pot. 

drill some more holes and add yer plugs...

If they dont sell such and object you could make a hack:
2 separate mono pedals
or
take apart a mono pedal. put matched pots in the place of the one pot. 
drill some more holes and add yer plugs...


Quote: mzed wrote on Wed, 28 June 2006 20:39

but anyway, slightly OT the original question, my powermate doesn't work with [hi], apparently because it doesn't send the standard usb messages or something. i take it that you can use yours in max somehow?

Somebody in one of the workshops had one of these. We figured out the 

best way was to put it into keymap mode in the System Preferences and 

use the [key] object. This allows you to use it like a rotary encoder. 

You may need to fiddle with the repeat rate settings for your uses.

Somebody in one of the workshops had one of these.  We figured out the 
best way was to put it into keymap mode in the System Preferences and 
use the [key] object.  This allows you to use it like a rotary encoder. 
You may need to fiddle with the repeat rate settings for your uses.

Nope - This person wants a BALANCED stereo volume pedal. They don't exist. A passive one would be really, really hard to build.

Proove me wrong, someone. I've been looking since 1988! I have had offers from engineers at various pedal making companies to make me a custom one, but it's always too expensive.

Nope - This person wants a BALANCED stereo volume pedal. They don't exist.  A passive one would be really, really hard to build.  

what are you two doing with your pedals exactly ? It seems a cool idea 

what are you two doing with your pedals exactly ? It seems a cool idea 
but could you add more details ?

In the following patch I send a sine wave out my audio interface to the 

EV5 pedals, then back into the audio interface (using that little hosa 

adaptor)....using peakamp~ to measure the changes in amplitude from the 

pedal.....I then map that info to midi numbers and route it to control 

vst parameters, my loopers and other patch stuff.....gets rid of the 

midi interface for the pedals....(thank you andrew pask for this!)

In the following patch I send a sine wave out my audio interface to the 
EV5 pedals, then back into the audio interface (using that little hosa 
adaptor)....using peakamp~ to measure the changes in amplitude from the 
pedal.....I then map that info to midi numbers and route it to control 
vst parameters, my loopers and other patch stuff.....gets rid of the 
midi interface for the pedals....(thank you andrew pask for this!)

Jeff Kaiser
http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com
pfMENTUM.com � AngryVegan.com

On Jun 29, 2006, at 12:19 AM, f.e wrote:


>Sorry for the slightly OT, but speaking of pedals, I am looking for 

>a balanced stereo volume pedal (yes, 2 trs or xlr in and out) to put 

>at the output of my soundcard. Anybody have one? I cannot find 

>ps No, I don't want to put a control pedal in the virtual world... I 

>want a master fader after all the MSP stuff!

the only way i imagine would be to "balance" the signal after the 

>Sorry for the slightly OT, but speaking of pedals, I am looking for 
>a balanced stereo volume pedal (yes, 2 trs or xlr in and out) to put 
>at the output of my soundcard.  Anybody have one?  I cannot find 
>anything on the net to help.
>
>pa
>
>ps No, I don't want to put a control pedal in the virtual world... I 
>want a master fader after all the MSP stuff!

the only way i imagine would be to "balance" the signal after the 
pedal (with DI boxes)

Anything to lessen the amount of gear to carry always makes me 

Anything to lessen the amount of gear to carry always makes me 
happy.....

Quote: Osborne Frit wrote on Wed, 28 June 2006 17:23

> Quote: mzed wrote on Wed, 28 June 2006 20:39

It becomes a pedal as soon as a put it under my foot.

> but anyway, slightly OT the original question, my powermate doesn't work with [hi], apparently because it doesn't send the standard usb messages or something. i take it that you can use yours in max somehow?

http://www.oatbit.com/~jg/index.php?w=newsite/files/knob_drivers/

Quote: Osborne Frit wrote on Wed, 28 June 2006 17:23
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> Quote: mzed wrote on Wed, 28 June 2006 20:39
>
> > Griffin Powermate
>
> he said pedal....
>

> but anyway, slightly OT the original question, my powermate doesn't work with [hi], apparently because it doesn't send the standard usb messages or something. i take it that you can use yours in max somehow?
>

I've been using these drivers:
http://www.oatbit.com/~jg/index.php?w=newsite/files/knob_drivers/

ooh. i'd been pointed in the directions of those kernel extensions before. i'd tried it and didn't seem to have any luck. not being familiar with the terminal/unix stuff i undoubtedly did something wrong, but i haven't wanted to attempt anything like it again for fear of deleting something important, and those site instructions seemed a bit intimidating for me. 

how simple is it really? any help/reassurance would possibly make me want to have another go

ooh. i'd been pointed in the directions of those kernel extensions before. i'd tried it and didn't seem to have any luck. not being familiar with the terminal/unix stuff i undoubtedly did something wrong, but i haven't wanted to attempt anything like it again for fear of deleting something important, and those site instructions seemed a bit intimidating for me. 
how simple is it really? any help/reassurance would possibly make me want to have another go

>> but anyway, slightly OT the original question, my powermate 

>>doesn't work with [hi], apparently because it doesn't send the 

>>standard usb messages or something. i take it that you can use 

just downloaded them - i have really NO idea how to install those 

drivers..... (i am not a "next" kind of guy....) could you tell me 

>
>  > > Griffin Powermate
>
>
>
>>  but anyway, slightly OT the original question, my powermate 
>>doesn't work with [hi], apparently because it doesn't send the 
>>standard usb messages or something. i take it that you can use 
>>yours in max somehow?
>>
>
>
>I've been using these drivers:
>http://www.oatbit.com/~jg/index.php?w=newsite/files/knob_drivers/
>

just downloaded them - i have really NO idea how to install those 
drivers..... (i am not a "next" kind of guy....) could you tell me 
where/how install this??

On 17-sept.-06, at 21:59, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

> just downloaded them - i have really NO idea how to install those 

> drivers..... (i am not a "next" kind of guy....) could you tell me 

Beware: the only time I had a Kernel Panic error on my laptop these 

past 3 years was when trying weird .kext extensions.

>> I've been using these drivers:
>> http://www.oatbit.com/~jg/index.php?w=newsite/files/knob_drivers/
>>
>
>
> just downloaded them - i have really NO idea how to install those 
> drivers..... (i am not a "next" kind of guy....) could you tell me 
> where/how install this??

.kext go to /System/Library/Extensions
Beware: the only time I had a Kernel Panic error on my laptop these 
past 3 years was when trying weird .kext extensions.

hey, a little OT but- I have the rig kontrol 2 pedal that comes with NI guitar rig. I love it to bits, as a bit of hardware, its dead solid. powers by USB, and functions as an audio / midi interface. I have a couple of issues tho-

1) I want to use the rig kontrol to control effects in max, but the rig kontrol apparently communicates in a non-audio language that ISN'T midi. I know max is a versatile tool, so I was wondering if there might be a way to use max to read this 'non audio language'?

2) the guitar rig effects are great, but as guitar rig is VST / AU plug-in, I'm thinking I may have some problems using it in my patch. I'm told that max doesn't use VST / AU plug ins with the best efficiency. Is this true? It's important that the patch is very efficient in processor usage, so this could potentially be a problem.

hey, a little OT but- I have the rig kontrol 2 pedal that comes with NI guitar rig.  I love it to bits, as a bit of hardware, its dead solid. powers by USB, and functions as an audio / midi interface.  I have a couple of issues tho-
1) I want to use the rig kontrol to control effects in max, but the rig kontrol apparently communicates in a non-audio language that ISN'T midi.   I know max is a versatile tool, so I was wondering if there might be a way to use max to read this 'non audio language'?
2) the guitar rig effects are great, but as guitar rig is VST / AU plug-in, I'm thinking I may have some problems using it in my patch.  I'm told that max doesn't use VST / AU plug ins with the best efficiency.  Is this true? It's important that the patch is very efficient in processor usage, so this could potentially be a problem.
Can anyone shed any gems of wisdom?
thanks
tom


>hey, a little OT but- I have the rig kontrol 2 pedal that comes with 

>NI guitar rig. I love it to bits, as a bit of hardware, its dead 

>solid. powers by USB, and functions as an audio / midi interface. I 

>1) I want to use the rig kontrol to control effects in max, but the 

>rig kontrol apparently communicates in a non-audio language that 

>ISN'T midi. I know max is a versatile tool, so I was wondering if 

>there might be a way to use max to read this 'non audio language'?

>2) the guitar rig effects are great, but as guitar rig is VST / AU 

>plug-in, I'm thinking I may have some problems using it in my patch. 

>I'm told that max doesn't use VST / AU plug ins with the best 

>efficiency. Is this true? It's important that the patch is very 

>efficient in processor usage, so this could potentially be a problem.

guitar Rig (1 & 2) works very well as a plug-in in maxmsp

in my opinion the NI hardware (rig kontrol in this case) is a 

totatlly useless, ill-conceived piece of s***

>hey, a little OT but- I have the rig kontrol 2 pedal that comes with 
>NI guitar rig.  I love it to bits, as a bit of hardware, its dead 
>solid. powers by USB, and functions as an audio / midi interface.  I 
>have a couple of issues tho-
>1) I want to use the rig kontrol to control effects in max, but the 
>rig kontrol apparently communicates in a non-audio language that 
>ISN'T midi.   I know max is a versatile tool, so I was wondering if 
>there might be a way to use max to read this 'non audio language'?
>2) the guitar rig effects are great, but as guitar rig is VST / AU 
>plug-in, I'm thinking I may have some problems using it in my patch. 
>I'm told that max doesn't use VST / AU plug ins with the best 
>efficiency.  Is this true? It's important that the patch is very 
>efficient in processor usage, so this could potentially be a problem.

in my opinion the NI hardware (rig kontrol in this case) is a 
totatlly useless, ill-conceived piece of s***

Sorry to bump this old thread, but after going to a Max/MSP symposium last weekend I got the itch to move my guitar (and eventually more) setup onto the laptop.

Since this thread Guitar Rig 3 (and Rig Kontrol 3) has come out.

I did a search but didn't see any information.

I have a decent soundcard already (Black Lion Modded MOTU Traveller) but the 'all-in-one' nature of the Rig Kontrol is attractive, not to mention that it's bus powered. So a laptop and that, would be presumably all I would need.

The problem is I don't really like Guitar Rig. I would probably use it a bit here and there, but I would mainly use Max/plugins/etc... but I would like to be able to control them from Rig Kontrol.

Either via running plugins/GR in max, or using max/hi to route the data to the relevant plugins elsewhere (mainstage?).

Is this sort of thing possible?
Either via running plugins/GR in max, or using max/hi to route the data to the relevant plugins elsewhere (mainstage?).


They do custom work too. So I might drop them a line about getting a couple of the USB->stomp boards, so I can make my own footswitch for it.

>They do custom work too. So I might drop them a line about getting a 

>couple of the USB->stomp boards, so I can make my own footswitch for 

thay actually also did for me a small USB (bus powered) pedal board - 

12 switches, and 4 inputs for CC (pedals)

the switches send a different message when you press them and release 

them - which permits to build (in max) thigs based on how long you 

>That looks good!
>
>They do custom work too. So I might drop them a line about getting a 
>couple of the USB->stomp boards, so I can make my own footswitch for 
>it.

thay actually also did for me a small USB (bus powered) pedal board - 
12 switches, and 4 inputs for CC (pedals)

the switches send a different message when you press them and release 
them - which permits to build (in max) thigs based on how long you 
press a pedal...........

How much did that cost if you don't mind me asking, and do you have any pictures of it?

I was going to go a DIY or found approach for building a (6-7 buttons) but if they put something together thats sharp looking and sturdy, I may just go that way completely.

I'm also considering building a usb based I/O sound card into the same thing, so it would be an open/faux 'rig kontrol' type thing.

hopefully still applicable here and always one of the best options:

https://cycling74.com/story/2007/10/16/1252/3782

hopefully still applicable here and always one of the best options:
https://cycling74.com/story/2007/10/16/1252/3782


Pedal to control Max/MSP?