I started using Max 5, and I think in the old version you would use a "timeline" object for a representation of a piano roll. What object does this in Max 5? and is there any other solid ways of being able to control a polysynth VST?

piano-roll

I'm using vst~, I'm trying to build a piano roll type sequencer for it.

Multisliders only allow you to control a monosynth, and the matrix grid is a bitch because I have to write a note on/note off for every note.

Why did they take out the timeline object? is there some new object thats better or alot like it or something?

I'm using vst~, I'm trying to build a piano roll type sequencer for it. 

Multisliders only allow you to control a monosynth, and the matrix grid is a bitch because I have to write a note on/note off for every note. 

Why did they take out the timeline object? is there some new object thats better or alot like it or something?


uh ok, ill try it out or whatever, but can someone actually answer my questions?

is there a sequencing method to control a polysynth vst that isnt a multislider, or a matrix grid.

uh ok, ill try it out or whatever, but can someone actually answer my questions? 

is there a sequencing method to control a polysynth vst that isnt a multislider, or a matrix grid.


mmmm.....an incredibly expensive alternative to a friendly little piano roll isn't it?

You could make one using lcd or jitter, but unfortunately I can't be of more help than that, as I'm quite new to that type of thing in max/msp.

however, a new pianoroll type object has been made to go with the current [detonate] object, but it has not been made publicly available yet. i have it, and the associated [pianoroll] support object, because it was put in (by accident?) to the 5.1.beta9 release and i kept it from that. it is nice (much nicer than the old max4 one) but is a bit buggy. however, there has been no word from cycling whether or not this will actually ever be released in a forthcoming official capacity.

lucky for me i had live anyway, so the expensive option mr palomba suggested was only a little bit expensive for me (!).

I was being a bit facetious there. I harbor a bit of resentment

for c74 because instead of updating the timeline object and giving

Max users a basic solution for sequencing, they decided to make me

pay 500 for Ableton Live and Max4Live. A was getting along fairly

well with Sonar and Pluggo, but they took that away from me too!

I know of no decent 3rd party sequencing external out there.

If there is one, I would like to know as well.

I was being a bit facetious there. I harbor a bit of resentment
for c74 because instead of updating the timeline object and giving
Max users a basic solution for sequencing, they decided to make me
pay 500 for Ableton Live and Max4Live. A was getting along fairly
well with Sonar and Pluggo, but they took that away from me too!

I know of no decent 3rd party sequencing external out there.
If there is one, I would like to know as well.


Sorry to be such a tease, but there is a 3rd party working on a timeline, and very promising it looks too, but to my eternal shame I can't remember who it is right now!

Some very tasty screenshots were submitted to the other Max list a few months ago, and when I enquired more recently of the author how it was going, the indication was that the project was still in progress.

I have the details on another machine, but I guess it's not my business to 'out' the author anyway; suffice it to say, you may yet be pleasantly surprised.

I too have yet to be convinced by Live and I miss Pluggo; a working timeline for Max would be a very welcome thing,

Sorry to be such a tease, but there is a 3rd party working on a timeline, and very promising it looks too, but to my eternal shame I can't remember who it is right now!
 Some very tasty screenshots were submitted to the other Max list a few months ago, and when I enquired more recently of the author how it was going, the indication was that the project was still in progress.
 I have the details on another machine, but I guess it's not my business to 'out' the author anyway; suffice it to say, you may yet be pleasantly surprised.
I too have yet to be convinced by Live and I miss Pluggo; a working timeline for Max would be a very welcome thing,
cheers
Roger


It's Roby Steinmetzer who's working on a timeline external:

http://webplaza.pt.lu/robstein/screenshot_rs_delos.png

this is the things i dont get about max, its been around for like 20 years. and only version 5 had capabilities to undo more than one thing, and they take out the timeline object right as the next version of it would have been decent.

the only good representation of a piano roll i could make so far that would work with a polysynth vst was a matrix grid with a huge 127 value unpack that sends the corresponding note-ons. but its just ridiculous on cpu in order to run properly with the object i made to go along with it so it would look/work like a piano roll.

this is the things i dont get about max, its been around for like 20 years. and only version 5 had capabilities to undo more than one thing, and they take out the timeline object right as the next version of it would have been decent.
the only good representation of a piano roll i could make so far that would work with a polysynth vst was a matrix grid with a huge 127 value unpack that sends the corresponding note-ons. but its just ridiculous on cpu in order to run properly with the object i made to go along with it so it would look/work like a piano roll.


The sequence class in FTM works similiarly, see

@mcQ They took out the timeline object because the ITM objects (transport, timepoint etc) were intended to replace them.

Come to think of it, eventual plans for M4L may have played a part as well...

@mcQ They took out the timeline object because the ITM objects (transport,  timepoint etc) were intended to replace them.

Come to think of it, eventual plans for M4L may have played a part as well...


You can use detonate in max6 it'll do the job

can someone please block the ndrewoods spambot??

Piano Roll?