Michele Verità

hi all i was trying to make this patch in max/msp, actually i'm missing something about pd objects and stuff..for sure for some of you it will take just a minute..thanks

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Thank you very much for the hint Michael!

my question is: would be hard to have an object like groove or play or anything else that does play with this granular technique a buffer content..?..

i mean, i think msp should have a proper granular sampler object with built-in transposition time-compression..

Thank you very much for the hint Michael!
my question is: would be hard to have an object like groove or play or anything else that does play with this granular technique a buffer content..?..
i mean, i think msp should have a proper granular sampler object with built-in transposition time-compression..


...or Nathan Wolek's wonderful granulation toolkit.

With all these options, I don't see the point of

wanting another MSP object, personally. There are

better things that one could spend one's time

doing that *no one else* has already done or provided.

With all these options, I don't see the point of
wanting another MSP object, personally. There are
better things that one could spend one's time
doing that *no one else* has already done or provided.

..mmm well i have to say that i've spent many many hours trying to make a satisfying granular sampler patch that sounds good to me, most of times they sound too metallic (for me would be great to achieve what Radial does, is it plain-max objects?)..i know wolek granular toolkit and they are great..but you know what, max is great and it's endless possibilities are sometimes overwhelming..is it worth spending all that time in trial-error process just to make a granular-sampler instead of making music or trying to do it?!

..mmm well i have to say that i've spent many many hours trying to make a satisfying granular sampler patch that sounds good to me, most of times they sound too metallic (for me would be great to achieve what Radial does, is it plain-max objects?)..i know wolek granular toolkit and they are great..but you know what, max is great and it's endless possibilities are sometimes overwhelming..is it worth spending all that time in trial-error process just to make a granular-sampler instead of making music or trying to do it?!
;)


..i mean, i prefer spend time thinking of generative sequencencers and all that stuff that common commercial tools are not made for..as we have groove~ or play~ for me would be great to have a granular-sampler object..sure that's my humble opinion

..i mean, i prefer spend time thinking of generative sequencencers  and all that stuff that common commercial tools are not made for..as we have groove~ or play~ for me would be great to have a granular-sampler object..sure that's my humble opinion
best
michele


that's actually is the best sounding patch i can get from this method..the first slice played sometimes has a weak attack even with a small window-size..i can imagine why..

> that's actually is the best sounding patch i can get from this 

> method..the first slice played sometimes has a weak attack even 

> with a small window-size..i can imagine why..

you should wrap the readpointer at the end of the buffer to the 

e.g.: play-pos+phase --> [pong~ 1 0. buflength] --> [play~ buf]

> ..mmm well i have to say that i've spent many many hours trying to 

> make a satisfying granular sampler patch that sounds good to me, 

the metallic sound is due to the fact that overlap and grainsize in 

your patch are not calculated in correspondence to the actual pitch 

of the waveform you want to manipulate. to do this "right" is a 

difficult thing and you would end up somewhere in PSOLA-land, i guess.

not a complete solution against metallic artefacts, but much easier 

to do, is to add a little randomness to the playposition. [phasor~] + 

On 21 Mar 2008, at 19:06, mic wrote:
>
> that's actually is the best sounding patch i can get from this  
> method..the first slice played sometimes has a weak attack even  
> with a small window-size..i can imagine why..
you should wrap the readpointer at the end of the buffer to the  
beginning.
e.g.: play-pos+phase --> [pong~ 1 0. buflength] --> [play~ buf]

>
> ..mmm well i have to say that i've spent many many hours trying to  
> make a satisfying granular sampler patch that sounds good to me,  
> most of times they sound too metallic

the metallic sound is due to the fact that overlap and grainsize in  
your patch are not calculated in correspondence to the actual pitch  
of the waveform you want to manipulate. to do this "right" is a  
difficult thing and you would end up somewhere in PSOLA-land, i guess.
not a complete solution against metallic artefacts, but much easier  
to do, is to add a little randomness to the playposition. [phasor~] +  
[noise~]*x --> [send~ play-pos]
volker.

hey Volker, thank you very much! wrapping rhe reading point works great!and thanks for for the other tips ;)

I would really love if someone could either point me to an explanation of how such techniques work, or explain to me the principles of Michele's patch. 

I can follow the logic so far but start to get confused with so many sah~ objects.

I would really love if someone could either point me to an explanation of how such techniques work, or explain to me the principles of Michele's patch. 
I can follow the logic so far but start to get confused with so many sah~ objects.
Thanks!


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