yghartsyrt

First of all, as this is my first post on this board:

As i haven't found anything with the search function and after contacting Karlheinz Essl, who answered me i should ask here.

Does anybody know something about a universal binary version of the rtc-library?

First of all, as this is my first post on this board:
hello.

As i haven't found anything with the search function and after contacting Karlheinz Essl, who answered me i should ask here.
Does anybody know something about a universal binary version of the rtc-library?

rtc-library-for-intel

its mostly if not all abstractions. isn't it? they should port fine

its mostly if not all abstractions. isn't it?  they should port fine
-matt


A lot of RTC-Lib is actually Max abstractions rather than externals. I just

downloaded them via the link on Cycling'74's sharing page. I installed them

on my Intel machine as per Karlheinz' instructions et voila!

> First of all, as this is my first post on this board:

> As i haven't found anything with the search function and after contacting

> Karlheinz Essl, who answered me i should ask here.

> Does anybody know something about a universal binary version of the

A lot of RTC-Lib is actually Max abstractions rather than externals. I just
downloaded them via the link on Cycling'74's sharing page.  I installed them
on my Intel machine as per Karlheinz' instructions et voila!

>
> First of all, as this is my first post on this board:
> hello.
>
> As i haven't found anything with the search function and after contacting
> Karlheinz Essl, who answered me i should ask here.
> Does anybody know something about a universal binary version of the
> rtc-library?
>
> cheers

Cheers
Gary Lee Nelson
Oberlin College
www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson

Spoke too soon. Some the most basic objects (divmod, nth etc) are

externals. Many of them are from James McCartney's old package that has be

supplanted by zl. There are even a couple in there that I think were mine.

On 9/27/06 4:00 PM, "Gary Lee Nelson" wrote:

> A lot of RTC-Lib is actually Max abstractions rather than externals. I just

> downloaded them via the link on Cycling'74's sharing page. I installed them

> on my Intel machine as per Karlheinz' instructions et voila!

>> First of all, as this is my first post on this board:

>> As i haven't found anything with the search function and after contacting

>> Karlheinz Essl, who answered me i should ask here.

>> Does anybody know something about a universal binary version of the

Spoke too soon.  Some the most basic objects (divmod, nth etc) are
externals.  Many of them are from James McCartney's old package that has be
supplanted by zl.  There are even a couple in there that I think were mine.

On 9/27/06 4:00 PM, "Gary Lee Nelson"  wrote:

> A lot of RTC-Lib is actually Max abstractions rather than externals. I just
> downloaded them via the link on Cycling'74's sharing page.  I installed them
> on my Intel machine as per Karlheinz' instructions et voila!
>
> Thanks again Khz!
>
>
> On 9/27/06 9:43 AM, "Nils Quak"  wrote:
>
>>
>> First of all, as this is my first post on this board:
>> hello.
>>
>> As i haven't found anything with the search function and after contacting
>> Karlheinz Essl, who answered me i should ask here.
>> Does anybody know something about a universal binary version of the
>> rtc-library?
>>
>> cheers
>
>
> Cheers
> Gary Lee Nelson
> Oberlin College
> www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson
>
>

Quote: Matthew Aidekman wrote on Wed, 27 September 2006 10:33

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> its mostly if not all abstractions. isn't it? they should port fine

well, there are some externals in there - especially the list objects by james mccartney. matrix12 is an external as well.

you can get the UB Lobjects which are used quite often from: 

ftp://arts.ucsc.edu/pub/ems/Lobjects/Lobjects_universal.dmg

i built some abstractions for the not-yet-ub externals, maybe you can use them yghartsyrt. but use at your own risk, some of my abstractions may lack the functionality of the real abstractions.

Quote: Matthew Aidekman wrote on Wed, 27 September 2006 10:33
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> its mostly if not all abstractions. isn't it?  they should port fine
> -matt
>
----------------------------------------------------

well, there are some externals in there - especially the list objects by james mccartney. matrix12 is an external as well.
you can get the UB Lobjects which are used quite often from: 
ftp://arts.ucsc.edu/pub/ems/Lobjects/Lobjects_universal.dmg

i built some abstractions for the not-yet-ub externals, maybe you can use them yghartsyrt. but use at your own risk, some of my abstractions may lack the functionality of the real abstractions.
stephen


The RTC-lib consists mainly of so-called "abstractions", but it also uses externals by others, mainly:

As I don't have the source code of those libraries, the Intelization of the RTC-lib can only be achieved by persons who know the C code. In the last years, people like Richard Dudas and Thomas Grill have been nice enough to make the various ports - from 68k to PPC, and most recently to Windows XP.

As soon as these libraries are ported, I will put together an Intel-savy release of the RTC-lib with all its additions and changes that haven't been distributed yet.

* McCartney's list objects
* some of Peter Elsea's Lobjects

Cheers from Vienna,
   --- Karlheinz Essl


On 27-Sep-2006, at 22:16, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:

> Spoke too soon. Some the most basic objects (divmod, nth etc) are

> externals. Many of them are from James McCartney's old package 

> supplanted by zl. There are even a couple in there that I think 

Most of these could be replaced by objects that are being actively 

maintained. Nth could be replaced by zl. Divmod could be replaced by 

lp.logos (granted, that's a Litter Pro object, however). Nowadays 

we're spoiled for choice WRT scale objects.

The last time I suggested this, Karlheinz said he prefered to not to 

change the externals used. While I understand his reasons, there is 

much to be said for preferring objects that are actively maintained 

over things that have essentially been orphaned.

Peter Castine +--> Litter Power & Litter Bundle for Jitter

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On 27-Sep-2006, at 22:16, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:
> Spoke too soon.  Some the most basic objects (divmod, nth etc) are
> externals.  Many of them are from James McCartney's old package  
> that has be
> supplanted by zl.  There are even a couple in there that I think  
> were mine.

Most of these could be replaced by objects that are being actively  
maintained. Nth could be replaced by zl. Divmod could be replaced by  
lp.logos (granted, that's a Litter Pro object, however). Nowadays  
we're spoiled for choice WRT scale objects.

The last time I suggested this, Karlheinz said he prefered to not to  
change the externals used. While I understand his reasons, there is  
much to be said for preferring objects that are actively maintained  
over things that have essentially been orphaned.

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Quote: lfanele wrote on Wed, 27 September 2006 14:39

> Quote: Matthew Aidekman wrote on Wed, 27 September 2006 10:33

> ----------------------------------------------------

> > its mostly if not all abstractions. isn't it? they should port fine

> well, there are some externals in there - especially the list objects by james mccartney. matrix12 is an external as well.

> you can get the UB Lobjects which are used quite often from: 

> i built some abstractions for the not-yet-ub externals, maybe you can use them yghartsyrt. but use at your own risk, some of my abstractions may lack the functionality of the real abstractions.

will try them at home. and thanks a lot for the answers

Quote: lfanele wrote on Wed, 27 September 2006 14:39
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> Quote: Matthew Aidekman wrote on Wed, 27 September 2006 10:33
> ----------------------------------------------------
> > its mostly if not all abstractions. isn't it?  they should port fine
> > -matt
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> well, there are some externals in there - especially the list objects by james mccartney. matrix12 is an external as well.
> you can get the UB Lobjects which are used quite often from: 
> ftp://arts.ucsc.edu/pub/ems/Lobjects/Lobjects_universal.dmg
>
> i built some abstractions for the not-yet-ub externals, maybe you can use them yghartsyrt. but use at your own risk, some of my abstractions may lack the functionality of the real abstractions.
> stephen
>
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cheers.
will try them at home. and thanks a lot for the answers


> Most of these could be replaced by objects that are being 

> actively maintained. Nth could be replaced by zl. Divmod could

Some, but not all. So I am trying to preserve and foster those orphans (as you put it), fortunately with the help of other Max developers. McCartney's list ops are indeed existing since more than a decade. Some years ago they have been overhauled by Richard Dudas so that they are now accepting lists with 256 items. And, hey, they are working!

For the UB-savy release of the RTC-lib, I will rewrite some externals to abstractions myself, but also try to include the original McCartney list objects if someone helps me to re-compile the code. BTW - I just found the source code in my archive!

> Most of these could be replaced by objects that are being 
> actively maintained. Nth could be replaced by zl. Divmod could
> be replaced by lp.logos.

Hello khz...I would love to see those McCartney objects updated. That is

something where I can help. I wonder if you might have the source to pulse.

It's not in RTC but I use it in several key objects and need to make it UB.

I've tried writing it as an abstraction but there is something that I am

missing. My abstraction has several small bugs that I can't seem to

On 9/28/06 3:57 AM, "Karlheinz Essl" wrote:

>> Most of these could be replaced by objects that are being

>> actively maintained. Nth could be replaced by zl. Divmod could

> Some, but not all. So I am trying to preserve and foster those orphans (as you

> put it), fortunately with the help of other Max developers. McCartney's list

> ops are indeed existing since more than a decade. Some years ago they have

> been overhauled by Richard Dudas so that they are now accepting lists with 256

> For the UB-savy release of the RTC-lib, I will rewrite some externals to

> abstractions myself, but also try to include the original McCartney list

> objects if someone helps me to re-compile the code. BTW - I just found the

Hello khz...I would love to see those McCartney objects updated.  That is
something where I can help.  I wonder if you might have the source to pulse.
It's not in RTC but I use it in several key objects and need to make it UB.
I've tried writing it as an abstraction but there is something that I am
missing.  My abstraction has several small bugs that I can't seem to
isolate.

On 9/28/06 3:57 AM, "Karlheinz Essl"  wrote:

>
> Peter Castine wrote:
>
>> Most of these could be replaced by objects that are being
>> actively maintained. Nth could be replaced by zl. Divmod could
>> be replaced by lp.logos.
>
> Some, but not all. So I am trying to preserve and foster those orphans (as you
> put it), fortunately with the help of other Max developers. McCartney's list
> ops are indeed existing since more than a decade. Some years ago they have
> been overhauled by Richard Dudas so that they are now accepting lists with 256
> items. And, hey, they are working!
>
> For the UB-savy release of the RTC-lib, I will rewrite some externals to
> abstractions myself, but also try to include the original McCartney list
> objects if someone helps me to re-compile the code. BTW - I just found the
> source code in my archive!
>
> Cheerbies,
>    --- Karlheinz Essl
>
> www.essl.at

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> The last time I suggested this, Karlheinz said he prefered to not to 

> change the externals used. While I understand his reasons, there is 

> much to be said for preferring objects that are actively maintained 

> over things that have essentially been orphaned.

Especially in the case of RTC I would recommend abstractions versus 

externals, as they would even run on the Linux version of Max scheduled 

for 2013... You'd never have to worry about external maintenance...

I see no possible performance problems with the usage of RTC...

Peter Castine wrote:
> The last time I suggested this, Karlheinz said he prefered to not to  
> change the externals used. While I understand his reasons, there is  
> much to be said for preferring objects that are actively maintained  
> over things that have essentially been orphaned.

Especially in the case of RTC I would recommend abstractions versus 
externals, as they would even run on the Linux version of Max scheduled 
for 2013... You'd never have to worry about external maintenance...
I see no possible performance problems with the usage of RTC...

RTC-Library for Intel