This is somewhat off topic, as it isn't a 100% max specific query, so 

let me apologize in advance.... However, i know folks here know their 

stuff when it comes to digital audio and i am desperate for an answer.

I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send them 

as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an audio CD 

using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs even if you have the:

[Use error correction when reading Audio CDs]

option checked off in Preferences --> Advanced

Now i have some Audio CDs that i need to integrate into an archive 

(the data is gone and all i have are the audio cds to work with) and 

i have to be absolutely 100% certain that i have yanked all of the 

audio off the CD w/o dropouts or any other data loss...

The only thing i can think of is to rip the audio several times and 

compare it and if it is the same then (under the crazy assumption 

that the rip would not drop data in the same place twice) .... but 

then i have to rip it several times which would take a LOT of time 

and a LOT of disk space... and then of course i would have to compare 

the soundfiles while ignoring the header ... ugh.. and the only way i 

can think to do this is to load both soundfiles in to a DAW, invert 

the phase of one and mix.... and then do an amp plot and check that 

each sample has summed to 0. ... you can see why i don't want to do 

this as i have dozens of CDs to archive....

so is there any fail-safe way to yank audio from CDs?

I am on a Mac, intel... os 10.4... I indeed have Max and Peak and 

This is somewhat off topic, as it isn't a 100% max specific query, so  
let me apologize in advance.... However, i know folks here know their  
stuff when it comes to digital audio and i am desperate for an answer.

I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send them  
as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an audio CD  
using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs even if you have the:

Now i have some Audio CDs that i need to integrate into an archive  
(the data is gone and all i have are the audio cds to work with) and  
i have to be absolutely 100% certain that i have yanked all of the  
audio off the CD w/o dropouts or any other data loss...

The only thing i can think of is to rip the audio several times and  
compare it and if it is the same then (under the crazy assumption  
that the rip would not drop data in the same place twice) .... but  
then i have to rip it several times which would take a LOT of time  
and a LOT of disk space... and then of course i would have to compare  
the soundfiles while ignoring the header ... ugh.. and the only way i  
can think to do this is to load both soundfiles in to a DAW, invert  
the phase of one and mix.... and then do an amp plot and check that  
each sample has summed to 0. ... you can see why i don't want to do  
this as i have dozens of CDs to archive....

I am on a Mac, intel... os 10.4... I indeed have Max and Peak and  
Garbage band (i guess)....

somewhat-ot-importing-audio-from-cd

> I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send them 

> as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an audio CD 

> using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs

http://www.google.dk/search?hl=en&q=cd+rip+osx+free&btnG=S%C3%B8g&meta=

kevin parks skrev:
> I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send them 
> as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an audio CD 
> using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs
Short answer; don't use iTunes.
http://www.google.dk/search?hl=en&q=cd+rip+osx+free&btnG=S%C3%B8g&meta=

I already know the short answer.... That iTunes sux and is not a secure

For example there is cdda2wav on the command line for some flavors of 

Unix and also cdparanoia for linux, but i don't see any binaries for 

MacOS X and not sure if they have been/can be built without something 

On Aug 8, 2007, at 5:03 PM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote:

>> I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send 

>> them as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an 

>> audio CD using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs

http://www.google.dk/search?hl=en&q=cd+rip+osx+free&btnG=S%C3%

I already know the short answer.... That iTunes sux and is not a secure
rip utility is already old news to me...

For example there is cdda2wav on the command line for some flavors of  
Unix and also cdparanoia for linux, but i don't see any binaries for  
MacOS X and not sure if they have been/can be built without something  
like fink or darwin ports... etc..

> kevin parks skrev:
>> I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send  
>> them as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an  
>> audio CD using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs
> Short answer; don't use iTunes.
> http://www.google.dk/search?hl=en&q=cd+rip+osx+free&btnG=S%C3% 
> B8g&meta=
>
> andreas.


On Aug 8, 2007, at 5:34 PM, Patrick Delges wrote:

> I never noticed any dropout when importing audio CD, but almost 

> To get an audio file from an audio CD, just copy the track from the 

> CD to a hard disk, OSX will create an AIFF file for you (lathough 

> it may be AIFC, but the conversion is easy).

under the hood, wouldn't this just do the same thing (as in use the 

> Peak can also import files from audio CDs.

I wonder about Peak too.... it used to be terrible at importing CDs 

try it as i have and use peak 5.x .... forgot all about peak's 

> If you really have to compare audio files, you could use diff in a 

> shell (although i'm quite sure there must be some UI versions 

> available, I remember there was one on NeXTStep).

hehe you are as old as me... [that would be very old]

> Hi,
>
> I never noticed any dropout when importing audio CD, but almost  
> never did it with iTunes.

> To get an audio file from an audio CD, just copy the track from the  
> CD to a hard disk, OSX will create an AIFF file for you (lathough  
> it may be AIFC, but the conversion is easy).

under the hood, wouldn't this just do the same thing (as in use the  
same slurping utility) as iTunes does?

I wonder about Peak too....  it used to be terrible at importing CDs  
in the old days.. I will
try it as i have and use peak 5.x .... forgot all about peak's  
importing abilities.... hmm...

> If you really have to compare audio files, you could use diff in a  
> shell (although i'm quite sure there must be some UI versions  
> available, I remember there was one on NeXTStep).

> This is somewhat off topic, as it isn't a 100% max specific query, so

> let me apologize in advance.... However, i know folks here know their

> stuff when it comes to digital audio and i am desperate for an answer.

> I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send them

> as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an audio CD

> using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs even if you have the:

> [Use error correction when reading Audio CDs]

> option checked off in Preferences --> Advanced

> Now i have some Audio CDs that i need to integrate into an archive

> (the data is gone and all i have are the audio cds to work with) and

> i have to be absolutely 100% certain that i have yanked all of the

> audio off the CD w/o dropouts or any other data loss...

> The only thing i can think of is to rip the audio several times and

> compare it and if it is the same then (under the crazy assumption

> that the rip would not drop data in the same place twice) .... but

> then i have to rip it several times which would take a LOT of time

> and a LOT of disk space... and then of course i would have to compare

> the soundfiles while ignoring the header ... ugh.. and the only way i

> can think to do this is to load both soundfiles in to a DAW, invert

> the phase of one and mix.... and then do an amp plot and check that

> each sample has summed to 0. ... you can see why i don't want to do

> this as i have dozens of CDs to archive....

> so is there any fail-safe way to yank audio from CDs?

> I am on a Mac, intel... os 10.4... I indeed have Max and Peak and

> Any help would be greatly appreciated...

2007/8/8, kevin parks :
> Greetings maxers,
>
> This is somewhat off topic, as it isn't a 100% max specific query, so
> let me apologize in advance.... However, i know folks here know their
> stuff when it comes to digital audio and i am desperate for an answer.
>
> I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send them
> as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an audio CD
> using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs even if you have the:
>
> [Use error correction when reading Audio CDs]
>
> option checked off in Preferences --> Advanced
>
> Now i have some Audio CDs that i need to integrate into an archive
> (the data is gone and all i have are the audio cds to work with) and
> i have to be absolutely 100% certain that i have yanked all of the
> audio off the CD w/o dropouts or any other data loss...
>
> I am not at all sure how to do this...
>
> The only thing i can think of is to rip the audio several times and
> compare it and if it is the same then (under the crazy assumption
> that the rip would not drop data in the same place twice) .... but
> then i have to rip it several times which would take a LOT of time
> and a LOT of disk space... and then of course i would have to compare
> the soundfiles while ignoring the header ... ugh.. and the only way i
> can think to do this is to load both soundfiles in to a DAW, invert
> the phase of one and mix.... and then do an amp plot and check that
> each sample has summed to 0. ... you can see why i don't want to do
> this as i have dozens of CDs to archive....
>
> so is there any fail-safe way to yank audio from CDs?
>
> I am on a Mac, intel... os 10.4... I indeed have Max and Peak and
> Garbage band (i guess)....
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated...
>
> cheers,
>
> kevin
>
>
>


That's just what the doctor ordered.. it reads from the disk multiple 

times and does comparisons, etc, and uses

the CD paranoia thing as well as it's own error checking...

On Aug 8, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Alessandro Fogar wrote:

>> This is somewhat off topic, as it isn't a 100% max specific query, so

>> let me apologize in advance.... However, i know folks here know their

>> stuff when it comes to digital audio and i am desperate for an 

>> I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send them

>> as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an audio CD

>> using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs even if you have the:

>> [Use error correction when reading Audio CDs]

>> option checked off in Preferences --> Advanced

>> Now i have some Audio CDs that i need to integrate into an archive

>> (the data is gone and all i have are the audio cds to work with) and

>> i have to be absolutely 100% certain that i have yanked all of the

>> audio off the CD w/o dropouts or any other data loss...

>> I am not at all sure how to do this...

>> The only thing i can think of is to rip the audio several times and

>> compare it and if it is the same then (under the crazy assumption

>> that the rip would not drop data in the same place twice) .... but

>> then i have to rip it several times which would take a LOT of time

>> and a LOT of disk space... and then of course i would have to compare

>> the soundfiles while ignoring the header ... ugh.. and the only way i

>> can think to do this is to load both soundfiles in to a DAW, invert

>> the phase of one and mix.... and then do an amp plot and check that

>> each sample has summed to 0. ... you can see why i don't want to do

>> this as i have dozens of CDs to archive....

That's just what the doctor ordered.. it reads from the disk multiple  
times and does comparisons, etc, and uses
the CD paranoia thing as well as it's own error checking...

> Hi,
>
> I use this:
>
> http://sbooth.org/Max/
>
> And it's called MAX !
>
> All the best
>
> -- 
> Alessandro Fogar
>
> http://www.fogar.it
>
> 2007/8/8, kevin parks :
>> Greetings maxers,
>>
>> This is somewhat off topic, as it isn't a 100% max specific query, so
>> let me apologize in advance.... However, i know folks here know their
>> stuff when it comes to digital audio and i am desperate for an  
>> answer.
>>
>> I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send them
>> as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an audio CD
>> using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs even if you have the:
>>
>> [Use error correction when reading Audio CDs]
>>
>> option checked off in Preferences --> Advanced
>>
>> Now i have some Audio CDs that i need to integrate into an archive
>> (the data is gone and all i have are the audio cds to work with) and
>> i have to be absolutely 100% certain that i have yanked all of the
>> audio off the CD w/o dropouts or any other data loss...
>>
>> I am not at all sure how to do this...
>>
>> The only thing i can think of is to rip the audio several times and
>> compare it and if it is the same then (under the crazy assumption
>> that the rip would not drop data in the same place twice) .... but
>> then i have to rip it several times which would take a LOT of time
>> and a LOT of disk space... and then of course i would have to compare
>> the soundfiles while ignoring the header ... ugh.. and the only way i
>> can think to do this is to load both soundfiles in to a DAW, invert
>> the phase of one and mix.... and then do an amp plot and check that
>> each sample has summed to 0. ... you can see why i don't want to do
>> this as i have dozens of CDs to archive....
>>
>> so is there any fail-safe way to yank audio from CDs?
>>
>> I am on a Mac, intel... os 10.4... I indeed have Max and Peak and
>> Garbage band (i guess)....
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated...
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> kevin
>>
>>
>>


Do it with Max! No, not that one, this one:

Damn useful little (Freeware) conversion utility with excellent CD ripping

On 8/8/07 09:03, "Andreas Wetterberg" wrote:

>> using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs

Do it with Max! No, not that one, this one:
http://sbooth.org/Max/

Damn useful little (Freeware) conversion utility with excellent CD ripping
features,
Cheers
Roger

On 8/8/07 09:03, "Andreas Wetterberg"  wrote:

> kevin parks skrev:
>> I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send them
>> as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an audio CD
>> using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs

> The only thing i can think of is to rip the audio several times and 

> compare it and if it is the same then (under the crazy assumption that 

> the rip would not drop data in the same place twice)

If you check the error correction to on!!! iTunes is doing that for you.

If there is an error, it will read again, till there is no error. after 

several tries it will interpolate, which still sounds ok...

You can tell the quality of the CD by the speed its ripping. The slower 

I used to use the ripper from Toast in OS 9, which had a special feature 

for that... I guess that's not an option...

kevin parks schrieb:
> The only thing i can think of is to rip the audio several times and 
> compare it and if it is the same then (under the crazy assumption that 
> the rip would not drop data in the same place twice)

If there is an error, it will read again, till there is no error. after 
several tries it will interpolate, which still sounds ok...

You can tell the quality of the CD by the speed its ripping. The slower 
the worse...

I used to use the ripper from Toast in OS 9, which had a special feature 
for that... I guess that's not an option...

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