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I'm sorry to post here such a pity thing,, but it makes me mad really,, 

I don't know how come,, but it came from nothing,. when I press "Alt" 

{MacOS} key to get some help patch in max,, it starts to write this 

I know that I can press Ctrl and than choose Help, , but I got so used 

If you have any tip , , what his can be,, it'd be great to repair it,,.

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I'm sorry to post here such a pity thing,, but it makes me mad really,, 
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I don't know how come,, but it came from nothing,. when I press "Alt" 
{MacOS} key to get some help patch in max,, it starts to write this 
symbol: ] into it..,
I know that I can press Ctrl and than choose Help, , but I got so used 
to it to get it this way,,
If you have any tip , , what his can be,, it'd be great to repair it,,.
Thanks a lot! ;]

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stupid-error-with-alt-key-for-max-help

Perhaps you have a stuck key ? My Command key got stuck recently - freaked

the hell out of me trying to do stuff in Max, until I realised what it was!

A good blast of compressed air sorted it out; damn thing was full of

Moral: don't eat & Max at the same time ;-)

Perhaps you have a stuck key ? My Command key got stuck recently - freaked
the hell out of me trying to do stuff in Max, until I realised what it was!
A good blast of compressed air sorted it out; damn thing was full of
crumbs....
 Moral: don't eat & Max at the same time ;-)
Cheers
Roger


I wist it was this.,. :D:D:D but my keyboard is only three weeks old, , 

I reset all the keyboard pref in the system and it's still the same.,. .

I wist it was this.,. :D:D:D but my keyboard is only three weeks old, , 
so it's clean as hell.,.
I reset all the keyboard pref in the system and it's still the same.,. .
,.,.,
but thanks for the tip., ;] !!

> I wist it was this.,. :D:D:D but my keyboard is only three weeks 

> I reset all the keyboard pref in the system and it's still the 

For all of that, your symptoms indicate that some non-modifier key is 

being pressed whenever you press the option key (PCs have alt keys, 

Suggest following: go to System Preferences, select International, 

Input Menu pane, activate Keyboard Viewer from the list of keyboard 

layouts. While you're there, turn on Show Inputer Menu in Menu Bar 

(from the bottom of the window). Then go to Max, select Keyboard 

Viewer from the Input menu (right of Menu Bar, you'll see a little 

flag, probably Stars & Stripes). Watch the viewer, it will show you 

what keystrokes the hardware is really sending to the computer.

PS: Keyboard Viewer is one of the most neglected handy utilities 

Apple ever produced, although the OS X versions seem a little flakey 

compared to what we had from Finder 1.0 through to OS 9.2.x.

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> I wist it was this.,. :D:D:D but my keyboard is only three weeks  
> old, , so it's clean as hell.,.
> I reset all the keyboard pref in the system and it's still the  
> same.,. .
> ,.,.,
> but thanks for the tip., ;] !!

For all of that, your symptoms indicate that some non-modifier key is  
being pressed whenever you press the option key (PCs have alt keys,  
Macs have option keys, btw).

Suggest following: go to System Preferences, select International,  
Input Menu pane, activate Keyboard Viewer from the list of keyboard  
layouts. While you're there, turn on Show Inputer Menu in Menu Bar  
(from the bottom of the window). Then go to Max, select Keyboard  
Viewer from the Input menu (right of Menu Bar, you'll see a little  
flag, probably Stars & Stripes). Watch the viewer, it will show you  
what keystrokes the hardware is really sending to the computer.

PS: Keyboard Viewer is one of the most neglected handy utilities  
Apple ever produced, although the OS X versions seem a little flakey  
compared to what we had from Finder 1.0 through to OS 9.2.x.

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OK, this is the second time I've read this in as many weeks, and I've 

got to step in. Peter, you have lived in .de for long enough to have 

seen a German Mac keyboard -- mine says "alt", so let's just leave those 

hegemonic key-cap presumptions at the door and give the poor guy a break.

Am 31.03.2006 um 16:34 Uhr schrieb Peter Castine:

> (PCs have alt keys, Macs have option keys, btw).

OK, this is the second time I've read this in as many weeks, and I've 
got to step in. Peter, you have lived in .de for long enough to have 
seen a German Mac keyboard -- mine says "alt", so let's just leave those 
hegemonic key-cap presumptions at the door and give the poor guy a break.

Am 31.03.2006 um 16:34 Uhr schrieb Peter Castine:
> (PCs have alt keys, Macs have option keys, btw).


thanks for reall care,, but my keyboard isn't german,,, , I have Czech

one.., {maybe you remember me from your workshop at FAMU for M.

Vojtechovsky, I had a lot of questions about cv.jit etc.,,}.., and it's

I hope that I don't make blind alarm and that it's not my misknowledge of

mac os,, but as I said, , all the keyboard prefs are already reset..,.

On Mar 31, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Jeremy Bernstein wrote:

OK, this is the second time I've read this in as many weeks, and I've got

to step in. Peter, you have lived in .de for long enough to have seen a

German Mac keyboard -- mine says "alt", so let's just leave those

(PCs have alt keys, Macs have option keys, btw).

hello!
thanks for reall care,, but my keyboard isn't german,,, , I have Czech
one.., {maybe you remember me from your workshop at FAMU for M.
Vojtechovsky, I had a lot of questions about cv.jit etc.,,}.., and it's
strange, because it used to work,, ,
I hope that I don't make blind alarm and that it's not my misknowledge of
mac os,, but as I said, , all the keyboard prefs are already reset..,.

OK, this is the second time I've read this in as many weeks, and I've got
to step in. Peter, you have lived in .de for long enough to have seen a
German Mac keyboard -- mine says "alt", so let's just leave those
hegemonic key-cap presumptions at the door and give the poor guy a break.

Am 31.03.2006 um 16:34 Uhr schrieb Peter Castine:
(PCs have alt keys, Macs have option keys, btw).

I'm really sorry,, , but I guess that it's something in the system,,

because it changes behaviour when i swich keyboards {i mean

so forget my post,. this has nothing to do with max.,.,

I'm really sorry,, , but I guess that it's something in the system,,
because it changes behaviour when i swich keyboards {i mean
languages}..,.,

On 31-Mar-2006, at 18:00, Jeremy Bernstein wrote:

> OK, this is the second time I've read this in as many weeks, and 

> I've got to step in. Peter, you have lived in .de for long enough 

> to have seen a German Mac keyboard -- mine says "alt", so let's 

> just leave those hegemonic key-cap presumptions at the door and 

OK, I may be being a bit retentive on this. But your keycaps have the 

'alt' in small italics at the top, originally put there for people 

using SoftPC & Co. The "official" name of the key is given by the 

bathtup symbol at the bottom of the key, which is the intergalactic 

At least it used to be. Look, DDZ calls me anal-retentive, so feel 

I've got five Apple keyboards lying around the room: US, .DE, 

"Int'l". But, sure, send me a picture if you like. Just don't post it 

On 31-Mar-2006, at 18:00, Jeremy Bernstein wrote:
> OK, this is the second time I've read this in as many weeks, and  
> I've got to step in. Peter, you have lived in .de for long enough  
> to have seen a German Mac keyboard -- mine says "alt", so let's  
> just leave those hegemonic key-cap presumptions at the door and  
> give the poor guy a break.

OK, I may be being a bit retentive on this. But your keycaps have the  
'alt' in small italics at the top, originally put there for people  
using SoftPC & Co. The "official" name of the key is given by the  
bathtup symbol at the bottom of the key, which is the intergalactic  
sign for "Wahltaste".

At least it used to be. Look, DDZ calls me anal-retentive, so feel  
free to do so as well.

I've got five Apple keyboards lying around the room: US, .DE,  
"Int'l". But, sure, send me a picture if you like. Just don't post it  
to the forum;-)

> I'm really sorry,, , but I guess that it's something in the system,,

> because it changes behaviour when i swich keyboards {i mean

I still think it's your keyboard. I just switched to Czech and option- 

clicked on various objects in Max and everything worked as expected. 

However, Max may not be entirely international-keyboard friendly and 

switching to US keyboard layout is possibly the most reliable thing. 

For instance, I could not get a message box or comment to accept 

haček-marked letters even when using Czech keyboard and changing to a 

(Ne, nemluvim česky dobře, alle resumim trošičku.)

On 31-Mar-2006, at 19:58, pash* wrote:
> I'm really sorry,, , but I guess that it's something in the system,,
> because it changes behaviour when i swich keyboards {i mean
> languages}..,.,

I still think it's your keyboard. I just switched to Czech and option- 
clicked on various objects in Max and everything worked as expected.  
Mac OS 10.4.5, Max/MSP 4.5.6.

However, Max may not be entirely international-keyboard friendly and  
switching to US keyboard layout is possibly the most reliable thing.  
For instance, I could not get a message box or comment to accept  
haček-marked letters even when using Czech keyboard and changing to a  
Unicode-capable font like Lucinda Sans.

Things seem to have changed, my Powerbook says alt on its option key...

I guess if its printed on it, its an alt key, but where the hell is the 

Peter Castine wrote:
> (PCs have alt keys, Macs have option keys, btw).

I guess if its printed on it, its an alt key, but where the hell is the 
option key then :-()

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does that mean its "confused"? should I bring my powerbook in for 

does that mean its "confused"? should I bring my powerbook in for  
counseling?

On 31.3.2006, at 16:34, Peter Castine wrote:

> Suggest following: go to System Preferences, select International, 

> Input Menu pane, activate Keyboard Viewer from the list of keyboard 

> layouts. While you're there, turn on Show Inputer Menu in Menu Bar 

> (from the bottom of the window). Then go to Max, select Keyboard 

> Viewer from the Input menu (right of Menu Bar, you'll see a little 

> flag, probably Stars & Stripes). Watch the viewer, it will show you 

> what keystrokes the hardware is really sending to the computer.

yep,,, so this answered all questions,, when i take a look at keyboard 

viewer,, alt {on my keyboard its really named alt ;], pwb 1,67} never 

ge pressed,, when i press the button viewer acts like that the button 

for " ] " is pressed,,. . so now i'm looking for help in mac forums.,. 

On 31.3.2006, at 20:50, Peter Castine wrote:

> I still think it's your keyboard. I just switched to Czech and 

> option-clicked on various objects in Max and everything worked as 

> expected. Mac OS 10.4.5, Max/MSP 4.5.6.

> However, Max may not be entirely international-keyboard friendly and 

> switching to US keyboard layout is possibly the most reliable thing. 

> For instance, I could not get a message box or comment to accept 

> haček-marked letters even when using Czech keyboard and changing to a 

> Unicode-capable font like Lucinda Sans.

> (Ne, nemluvim česky dobře, alle resumim trošičku.)

i'm not using czech keyboard very often..., not at all in max.,. :D

but it's fun to meet someone on the forum who speaks it at least little 

bit! ;] {but trully it seems that you speak more than trosicku!!}

>
> Suggest following: go to System Preferences, select International, 
> Input Menu pane, activate Keyboard Viewer from the list of keyboard 
> layouts. While you're there, turn on Show Inputer Menu in Menu Bar 
> (from the bottom of the window). Then go to Max, select Keyboard 
> Viewer from the Input menu (right of Menu Bar, you'll see a little 
> flag, probably Stars & Stripes). Watch the viewer, it will show you 
> what keystrokes the hardware is really sending to the computer.
>

yep,,, so this answered all questions,, when i take a look at keyboard 
viewer,, alt  {on my keyboard its really named alt ;], pwb 1,67} never 
ge pressed,, when i press the button viewer acts like that the button 
for " ] " is pressed,,. . so now i'm looking for help in mac forums.,. 
but thanks a lot!!

> Dobrý den, Paš !
>
> I still think it's your keyboard. I just switched to Czech and 
> option-clicked on various objects in Max and everything worked as 
> expected. Mac OS 10.4.5, Max/MSP 4.5.6.
>
> However, Max may not be entirely international-keyboard friendly and 
> switching to US keyboard layout is possibly the most reliable thing. 
> For instance, I could not get a message box or comment to accept 
> haček-marked letters even when using Czech keyboard and changing to a 
> Unicode-capable font like Lucinda Sans.
>
> Good luck, anyway.
>
> -- Petr
>
> (Ne, nemluvim česky dobře, alle resumim trošičku.)

i'm not using czech keyboard very often..., not at all in max.,. :D
but it's fun to meet someone on the forum who speaks it at least little 
bit! ;] {but trully it seems that you speak more than trosicku!!}

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On 1-Apr-2006, at 0:18, Stefan Tiedje wrote:

> Things seem to have changed, my Powerbook says alt on its option 

The keyboard I'm typing on was delivered from the Apple Store in Cork 

less than a month ago. It still has the Intergalactic Sign of the 

'Alt' is also printed on it at the top in smaller letters, just as 

'delete' is printed on the Forward Delete key, which has the 

Intergalactic Sign for Forward Delete at the bottom left. Note that 

the bottom left is where all the other keys have their "normal 

usage" labels printed. Top left and small is for "alternate names 

when using emulators for terminals and/or other operating systems."

On 1-Apr-2006, at 0:18, Stefan Tiedje wrote:
> Things seem to have changed, my Powerbook says alt on its option  
> key...

The keyboard I'm typing on was delivered from the Apple Store in Cork  
less than a month ago.  It still has the Intergalactic Sign of the  
Option Key clearly printed on it.

'Alt' is also printed on it at the top in smaller letters, just as  
'delete' is printed on the Forward Delete key, which has the  
Intergalactic Sign for Forward Delete at the bottom left. Note that  
the bottom  left is where all the other keys have their "normal  
usage" labels printed. Top left and small is for "alternate names  
when using emulators for terminals and/or other operating systems."

On all my apple keyboards, the relevant key has 'alt' at the top, and 

at the bottom a totally incomprehensible symbol - This way to the 

underpass? The surfer has come off the wave? - by no conceivable means 

could it suggest to me the word "Option"! ;-)>

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Lawrence Electronic Operations - www.lcasserley.co.uk

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On all my apple keyboards, the relevant key has 'alt' at the top, and 
at the bottom a totally incomprehensible symbol - This way to the 
underpass? The surfer has come off the wave? - by no conceivable means 
could it suggest to me the word "Option"! ;-)>

Lawrence Casserley - lawrence@lcasserley.co.uk
Lawrence Electronic Operations - www.lcasserley.co.uk
Colourscape Music Festivals - www.colourscape.org.uk


On 1-Apr-2006, at 14:49, lawrence casserley wrote:

> the relevant key has 'alt' at the top, and at the bottom a totally 

Exactly: the Intergalactic Sign of the Option Key.

Sheez, has *no one* on the list seen _Mars Attacks_???

On 1-Apr-2006, at 14:49, lawrence casserley wrote:
> the relevant key has 'alt' at the top, and at the bottom a totally  
> incomprehensible symbol

Sheez, has *no one* on the list seen _Mars Attacks_???


shift, control, alt, super, hyper, meta, and bollocks.

shift, control, alt, super, hyper, meta, and bollocks.
What's the problem?


I have to say I find this slightly more delightful, but just by a hair.

Am 01.04.2006 um 20:39 Uhr schrieb Peter Castine:

> Anyway, folks'll prob'ly now be delighted to see me plugging Litter 

> Power rather than being a pedantic piece-of-alliterative-anatomy 

> about naming keystrokes. I'm prepared to drop the subject.

Am 01.04.2006 um 20:39 Uhr schrieb Peter Castine:
> Anyway, folks'll prob'ly now be delighted to see me plugging Litter 
> Power rather than being a pedantic piece-of-alliterative-anatomy 
> about naming keystrokes. I'm prepared to drop the subject.


Ah well - I've always seemed to have more interesting things to do with 

my life than to delve into these arcane depths. I still think the 

I prefer, "Danger steep hill - oh, too late!" No options there!

I hope soon you will find the option to think about more alternative 

With very best wishes for your health and security

Ah well - I've always seemed to have more interesting things to do with 
my life than to delve into these arcane depths. I still think the 
symbol is impossibly obscure, though.

I hope soon you will find the option to think about more alternative 
things! ;-)>

> the cloverleaf is presumably recognized by most as the 

> Command Key (sometimes referred to as the "Apple" key, but not in any 

> Apple documentation I've seen since Jobs killed Lisa).

I consider the printing on the keyboard itself the most obvious Apple 

documentation available, the only one everybody (but Peter) reads. The 

documentation Peter reads is widely unknown to most people. And now read 

the documentation on your keyboard: The symbol right beneath the 

cloverleaf (Command Key) is a very recognizable symbol even kids would 

be able to give the correct name --- you got it --- Apple.

This seems to be a conspirative hidden "Wink mit dem Zaunpfahl" to 

confuse insiders... Lisa is dead, long live Lisa ;-)

Peter Castine wrote:
> the cloverleaf is presumably recognized by most as the  
> Command Key (sometimes referred to as the "Apple" key, but not in any  
> Apple documentation I've seen since Jobs killed Lisa). 

I consider the printing on the keyboard itself the most obvious Apple 
documentation available, the only one everybody (but Peter) reads. The 
documentation Peter reads is widely unknown to most people. And now read 
the documentation on your keyboard: The symbol right beneath the 
cloverleaf (Command Key) is a very recognizable symbol even kids would 
be able to give the correct name --- you got it --- Apple.
This seems to be a conspirative hidden "Wink mit dem Zaunpfahl" to 
confuse insiders... Lisa is dead, long live Lisa ;-)

stupid error with Alt key for max help