Pete

I am new to max/msp 7 although I dabbled in max/msp and Pd about 10yrs ago. Basically, I ditched composition for a while because of work pressures. Now I'm back, and learning max/msp.

As a newcomer (i.e. noob), I see a lot of stuff about m4L/Live.

- Is using any another DAW massively hamstringing composition, because of lack of integration?

- I use Renoise as a DAW (a tracker similar to Buzz, for any dinosaurs out there), which has Rewire - so can I integrate max/msp well with this?

- How is composition in max/msp as a standalone?

Not made up my mind, so looking for some objectivity before a heavy cash purchase. If worth adding, musical influences are Rune Grammafon, Type, Bedroom Community, Raster-Noton, Warp labels, and Phil Collins.

I am new to max/msp 7 although I dabbled in max/msp and Pd about 10yrs ago. Basically, I ditched composition for a while because of work pressures. Now I'm back, and learning max/msp. 

As a newcomer (i.e. noob), I see a lot of stuff about m4L/Live. 

- Is using any another DAW massively hamstringing composition, because of lack of integration?
- I use Renoise as a DAW (a tracker similar to Buzz, for any dinosaurs out there), which has Rewire - so can I integrate max/msp well with this?
- How is composition in max/msp as a standalone?

what-does-max-liveableton-bring-to-the-table

if you are willing to accept the one or other compromise it should be ok to generate midi using max and then send the data to another app (or even another computer or synth).

using max4live you have the advantage of having both in one app; you can patch and you can also record. if you are familiar with pluggo, think of live devices for midi generation as pluggo synths with "edit" feature.

maybe it is a matter of taste, but in my opinion the more channels and ports you want to save and the more you want your data creation to be flexible, the more interesting it could be to use max runtime and not max4live. however, max4live includes max app anway, so it might be your solution.

Thanks - you're right 'composition' is a very broad concept.

am i right in believing that i can no longer create a vst to be used in a DAW -- unless its LIve, in which case I would need M4L as well -- because pluggo is gone?

And am i right in thinking that a M4L tool could not be used in another DAW? Or could I simply run the M4L tool in max/msp runtime and link it via rewire to a non-Live DAW?

Sorry for the noobishness - just trying to figure out the limits and capabilities within a non-live DAW.

am i right in believing that i can no longer create a vst to be used in a DAW -- unless its LIve, in which case I would need M4L as well -- because pluggo is gone? 

And am i right in thinking that a M4L tool could not be used in another DAW?  Or could I simply run the M4L tool in max/msp runtime and link it via rewire to a non-Live DAW? 

Sorry for the noobishness - just trying to figure out the limits and capabilities within a non-live DAW.


what does max live/ableton bring to the table?