Trouble then trying to make aux-send from gen


    Jun 28 2013 | 7:57 pm
    I tried to route signal inside gen through MSP filter object on the outside, and failed, because gen ceasing to function this way. Why is that happening? I tried to add history object inside, but it didin't help. Here is the patch: ----------begin_max5_patcher---------- { "boxes" : [ { "box" : { "maxclass" : "newobj", "text" : "allpass~ 10 0.1 1", "fontsize" : 12.0, "patching_rect" : [ 634.0, 201.0, 102.0, 20.0 ], "numinlets" : 3, "id" : "obj-48", "fontname" : "Arial", "numoutlets" : 1, "outlettype" : [ "signal" ] }
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    } , { "box" : { "maxclass" : "button", "patching_rect" : [ 350.0, 112.0, 20.0, 20.0 ], "numinlets" : 1, "id" : "obj-8", "numoutlets" : 1, "outlettype" : [ "bang" ] }
    } , { "box" : { "maxclass" : "newobj", "text" : "*~", "fontsize" : 12.0, "patching_rect" : [ 216.0, 255.0, 32.5, 20.0 ], "numinlets" : 2, "id" : "obj-6", "fontname" : "Arial", "numoutlets" : 1, "outlettype" : [ "signal" ] }
    } , { "box" : { "maxclass" : "newobj", "text" : "noise~", "fontsize" : 12.0, "patching_rect" : [ 229.5, 174.0, 46.0, 20.0 ], "numinlets" : 1, "id" : "obj-5", "fontname" : "Arial", "numoutlets" : 1, "outlettype" : [ "signal" ] }
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    } , { "box" : { "maxclass" : "live.gain~", "varname" : "live.gain~", "presentation_rect" : [ 210.0, 210.0, 50.0, 24.0 ], "showname" : 0, "patching_rect" : [ 492.0, 267.0, 121.0, 38.0 ], "parameter_enable" : 1, "orientation" : 1, "numinlets" : 2, "id" : "obj-27", "numoutlets" : 5, "outlettype" : [ "signal", "signal", "", "float", "list" ], "saved_attribute_attributes" : { "valueof" : { "parameter_longname" : "live.gain~[4]", "parameter_shortname" : "live.gain~", "parameter_type" : 0, "parameter_mmin" : -70.0, "parameter_mmax" : 6.0, "parameter_initial_enable" : 1, "parameter_initial" : [ -50 ], "parameter_unitstyle" : 4 }
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    } , { "box" : { "maxclass" : "ezdac~", "prototypename" : "helpfile", "bgcolor" : [ 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0 ], "border" : 1.75, "patching_rect" : [ 397.0, 317.0, 44.0, 44.0 ], "local" : 1, "numinlets" : 2, "id" : "obj-15", "bordercolor" : [ 0.501961, 0.501961, 0.501961, 1.0 ], "numoutlets" : 0 }
    } , { "box" : { "maxclass" : "message", "text" : "reset", "fontsize" : 13.0, "patching_rect" : [ 402.0, 174.0, 39.0, 19.0 ], "numinlets" : 2, "id" : "obj-11", "fontname" : "Arial", "numoutlets" : 1, "outlettype" : [ "" ] }
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    • Jul 04 2013 | 10:35 pm
      I can't open the max patch you sent, I think something is corrupted. Can you try again? Select-All, Edit -> Copy Compressed. Thanks
    • Jul 05 2013 | 4:21 am
      Done
    • Jul 07 2013 | 11:17 am
      Could it be it's due to impossibility of certain loops in Max/MSP? Is there some documentation about it? Also, I wouldn't need it, if someone will tell me, how to make 2nd order allpass filter inside gen~.
    • Jul 07 2013 | 11:41 am
      you have to introduce a delay when using feedback with MSP. Send~ and receive~ are a possibility to introduce minimum delay(vector size). using history/delay in gen for a feedback loop outside of gen but including gen~ will not do it.
    • Jul 17 2013 | 5:51 pm
      Wow, thanks! It helped me a lot.
    • Aug 05 2013 | 12:46 pm
      Is there any other ways to make feedback loop, than send/receive? It's not very handy, when you trying to copy something containig this objects, as it messes everything and make awful sounds.