UI question and annoyance....


    Jun 07 2006 | 11:53 pm
    Hello
    This one has had me scratching my head. Why on earth is a messagebox at one font size (say 9pt), 1 pixel larger than a numberbox at the same point size? Ubu, message etc are all 13px (as reported in the status window), whereas number is 12? This makes lining things up a pain in the ass, as not all fonts look the same scaled up 1 pixel to 10px.
    Also, is there a reason/limitation to the minimum font size being 9 points? 8 would be lovely...
    v a d e //
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    • Jun 08 2006 | 2:54 am
      200% agreed, makes me feel better that i am not the only one scratching his head on this one ...
    • Jun 08 2006 | 2:57 am
      thirded
    • Jun 08 2006 | 7:29 am
      quarted
    • Jun 08 2006 | 10:55 am
      On 8-Jun-2006, at 1:53, vade wrote: > Why on earth is a messagebox at one font size (say 9pt), 1 pixel > larger than a numberbox at the same point size? Ubu, message etc > are all 13px (as reported in the status window), whereas number is 12?
      Every object wants to be Frank Sinatra: "I did it my way." Yes, this can be a pain, but it happens all over the place, not just here.
      This is not a defense or justification of the behavior, more an observation that this sort of problem is not unique in Max.
      > Also, is there a reason/limitation to the minimum font size being 9 > points?
      This is probably legacy. In the days when Max ran on one OS only *and* that OS had a uniform screen resolution across all supported screen displays, 9 point was the smallest font size that you could reasonably use. If you weren't there, trust me. Or scan the list archives for people compaining that 9 point was far too small.
      For many objects the determined can get smaller font sizes by editing the patcher-saved-as-text.
      > 8 would be lovely...
      Not on this screen it wouldn't.
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    • Jun 08 2006 | 11:11 am
      What might be more useful would the the ability in a future version of Max to align vertically left, center or right, and similarly to align horizontally upper. lower or middle. Exactly how to decide what alignment one want to use, I have no strong opinion about.
      Best, Trond
    • Jun 08 2006 | 12:00 pm
      Agree completely with this - I've had to revert to Javascript *just* so I could left/right/center justify some text...
      Dan
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    • Jun 08 2006 | 7:38 pm
      Am 08.06.2006 um 01:53 schrieb vade:
      > Why on earth is a messagebox at one font size (say 9pt), 1 pixel > larger than a numberbox at the same point size?
      With the standard settings (geneva 9) they are the same size for me. This seems very font-dependent, heres a cheat I use, but don't tell my typographic friends ...
      cheers, g.
    • Jun 08 2006 | 8:43 pm
      Ouch. That hurts.
      BTW, if you put an ubumenu on your patch, they do not match. I realize I worded my initial posting in a confusing manner. But suffice it to say, pixel sizes for UI elements with the same font at the same pointsize do not result in the same pixel values. That just strikes me as odd. Thats all.
      Its not a huge issue, but I spent about 5 hours yesterday going through nice legible small pixel fonts for my patch, and I finally settled on Pixelyn, which looks great at both 9 and 10 pt sizes. I would have chose Silkscreen, but when you make the numberbox 10 points, to make it match pixel size to an ubumenu, the numbers look all fucked.
      Anyway, Just a small annoyance - but I figured id voice it.
      v a d e //
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    • Jun 09 2006 | 6:58 pm
      a small UI annoyance... ubumenu (which is such a lovely alternative to the old OS 9-ish umenu) won't work in a plugin. Lame, and very odd, imho.
      J.
    • Jun 09 2006 | 7:04 pm
      Not odd at all, since the VST spec doesn't permit additional windows to be opened, which ubumenu does. Anyhoo, nothing to be done about it.
      jb
    • Jun 09 2006 | 7:40 pm
      huh? Are you saying that ubumenu is, technically, a window?
    • Jun 09 2006 | 7:57 pm
      yeah, thats how ubumenu was non-interrupting on OS 9, so jitter wouldn't stop processing (AFAIK)...
      v a d e //
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    • Jun 09 2006 | 10:25 pm
      yeah they're all a bit different, huh? =/ you could always change the height via scripting. Its hard to find pairs of fonts that balance each other out, but there are some pairs that work if you don a bit of experimenting. Still, not a good solution =(