vocoder challenge


    Jul 04 2008 | 10:59 pm
    Looking to build a better sounding vocoder than the one included already in the max/msp bundle (sorry homies, you did a great job, just craving for something "thicker" and more "robotic" sounding...more Beastie Boys "Intergalactic" vibe)
    below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i am thinking of attempting.
    Any help will be much apprecited (or should i say pointers, cuz i RTFM every day). Thanks!
    -chuck

    • Jul 06 2008 | 9:07 am
      Chubb schrieb:
      > below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i am
      > thinking of attempting.
      >
      This is not a vocoder sound, I guess its some sort of LPC (Linear
      Predictive Coding)... Look for text to speech conversion...
      Stefan
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    • Jul 06 2008 | 4:55 pm
      As Stephan pointed out, what i was looking for is not a vocoder sound. So, i must really give kudos to cycling for the vocoder sound (which i use). i am always looking to create really insane sounding vocal effects, hence the request to create a vocal induced LPC (linear predictive codiing). i love computers, but i would rather do the talking. Thanks for the help everyone!
      -chuck
      *for your own insanity and a better idea of what i do...hearing is believing:
      ----- Original Message ----
      From: Stefan Tiedje
      Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2008 5:07:10 AM
      Subject: Re: [maxmsp] vocoder challenge
      Chubb schrieb:
      > below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i am
      > thinking of attempting.
      >
      This is not a vocoder sound, I guess its some sort of LPC (Linear
      Predictive Coding)... Look for text to speech conversion...
      Stefan
      --
      Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
      --_____-----------|--------------
      --(_|_ ----|-----|-----()-------
      -- _|_)----|-----()--------------
      ----------()--------www.ccmix.com
    • Jul 06 2008 | 5:52 pm
      Both the csound~ and rtcmix~ objects have LPC capabilities, but the
      analysis has to be done prior to the resynthesis.
      brad
      On Jul 6, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Chubb wrote:
      > As Stephan pointed out, what i was looking for is not a vocoder
      > sound. So, i must really give kudos to cycling for the vocoder
      > sound (which i use). i am always looking to create really insane
      > sounding vocal effects, hence the request to create a vocal induced
      > LPC (linear predictive codiing). i love computers, but i would
      > rather do the talking. Thanks for the help everyone!
      > -chuck
      > *for your own insanity and a better idea of what i do...hearing is
      > believing:
      > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Me-UJH1WcQ
      >
      > ----- Original Message ----
      > From: Stefan Tiedje
      > Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2008 5:07:10 AM
      > Subject: Re: [maxmsp] vocoder challenge
      >
      > Chubb schrieb:
      > > below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i am
      > > thinking of attempting.
      > >
      > > http://www.shelaq.de/talking_synth/sounds/sample03.mp3
      >
      > This is not a vocoder sound, I guess its some sort of LPC (Linear
      > Predictive Coding)... Look for text to speech conversion...
      >
      > Stefan
      >
      > --
      > Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
      > --_____-----------|--------------
      > --(_|_ ----|-----|-----()-------
      > -- _|_)----|-----()--------------
      > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com
      >
      >
      >
    • Jul 06 2008 | 7:28 pm
      Quote: Mr. Banshee wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 00:59
      ----------------------------------------------------
      > Looking to build a better sounding vocoder than the one included already in the max/msp bundle (sorry homies, you did a great job, just craving for something "thicker" and more "robotic" sounding...more Beastie Boys "Intergalactic" vibe)
      >
      > below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i am thinking of attempting.
      >
      > http://www.shelaq.de/talking_synth/sounds/sample03.mp3
      >
      > Any help will be much apprecited (or should i say pointers, cuz i RTFM every day). Thanks!
      > -chuck
      ----------------------------------------------------
      This is not a vocoder. I think its the talking synth from FLAME:
      Make sure you check out the sound link!!!
      To recreate this kind of sound you need to build some fof synthesis engine using a filterbank. Search the forum for some examples.
    • Jul 06 2008 | 8:35 pm
      Sounds like formant synthesis to me - like the 'lil rubberheaded Mammy' in
      Zappa's Thingfish!
      There was a patch called Copacabana that someone posted here some time ago
      that used formant filters to make these sort of cute noises. It's pretty
      much a matter of using a pair (or more) of filters with characteristics that
      match the human vocal tract. Googling 'formant synthesis' or 'formant
      filters' should get you started. I have a patch lying around somewhere I
      could post (including one used to make sheep noises - don't ask, it's a
      Welsh thing...;-)
      Cheers
      roger
      On 06/07/2008 20:28, "danny de graan" wrote:
      >
      >
      >
      > Quote: Mr. Banshee wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 00:59
      > ----------------------------------------------------
      >> Looking to build a better sounding vocoder than the one included already in
      >> the max/msp bundle (sorry homies, you did a great job, just craving for
      >> something "thicker" and more "robotic" sounding...more Beastie Boys
      >> "Intergalactic" vibe)
      >>
      >> below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i am thinking
      >> of attempting.
      >>
      >> http://www.shelaq.de/talking_synth/sounds/sample03.mp3
      >>
      >> Any help will be much apprecited (or should i say pointers, cuz i RTFM every
      >> day). Thanks!
      >> -chuck
      >
      > ----------------------------------------------------
      >
      > This is not a vocoder. I think its the talking synth from FLAME:
      >
      > http://flame.fortschritt-musik.de/start.htm
      >
      > Make sure you check out the sound link!!!
      >
      > To recreate this kind of sound you need to build some fof synthesis engine
      > using a filterbank. Search the forum for some examples.
      > --
      > - Danny -
    • Jul 06 2008 | 9:48 pm
      Indeed that's classic fof stuff. I would take a look at the fof
      example patch that comes with the latest release of csound~ external.
      It was announced here only last week so you should be able to find it
      easily. And of course there is the external from IRCAM as well.
      Best
      Peiman
      On 6 Jul 2008, at 21:35, Roger Carruthers wrote:
      > Sounds like formant synthesis to me - like the 'lil rubberheaded
      > Mammy' in
      > Zappa's Thingfish!
      > There was a patch called Copacabana that someone posted here some
      > time ago
      > that used formant filters to make these sort of cute noises. It's
      > pretty
      > much a matter of using a pair (or more) of filters with
      > characteristics that
      > match the human vocal tract. Googling 'formant synthesis' or 'formant
      > filters' should get you started. I have a patch lying around
      > somewhere I
      > could post (including one used to make sheep noises - don't ask,
      > it's a
      > Welsh thing...;-)
      > Cheers
      > roger
      >
      >
      > On 06/07/2008 20:28, "danny de graan" wrote:
      >
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Quote: Mr. Banshee wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 00:59
      >> ----------------------------------------------------
      >>> Looking to build a better sounding vocoder than the one included
      >>> already in
      >>> the max/msp bundle (sorry homies, you did a great job, just
      >>> craving for
      >>> something "thicker" and more "robotic" sounding...more Beastie Boys
      >>> "Intergalactic" vibe)
      >>>
      >>> below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i
      >>> am thinking
      >>> of attempting.
      >>>
      >>> http://www.shelaq.de/talking_synth/sounds/sample03.mp3
      >>>
      >>> Any help will be much apprecited (or should i say pointers, cuz i
      >>> RTFM every
      >>> day). Thanks!
      >>> -chuck
      >>
      >> ----------------------------------------------------
      >>
      >> This is not a vocoder. I think its the talking synth from FLAME:
      >>
      >> http://flame.fortschritt-musik.de/start.htm
      >>
      >> Make sure you check out the sound link!!!
      >>
      >> To recreate this kind of sound you need to build some fof
      >> synthesis engine
      >> using a filterbank. Search the forum for some examples.
      >> --
      >> - Danny -
      >
      >
    • May 10 2009 | 4:36 am
      peimankhosravi@gmail.com wrote on Sun, 06 July 2008 15:48Indeed that's classic fof stuff. I would take a look at the fof
      example patch that comes with the latest release of csound~ external.
      It was announced here only last week so you should be able to find it
      easily. And of course there is the external from IRCAM as well.
      Best
      Peiman
      On 6 Jul 2008, at 21:35, Roger Carruthers wrote:
      > Sounds like formant synthesis to me - like the 'lil rubberheaded
      > Mammy' in
      > Zappa's Thingfish!
      > There was a patch called Copacabana that someone posted here some
      > time ago
      > that used formant filters to make these sort of cute noises. It's
      > pretty
      > much a matter of using a pair (or more) of filters with
      > characteristics that
      > match the human vocal tract. Googling 'formant synthesis' or 'formant
      > filters' should get you started. I have a patch lying around
      > somewhere I
      > could post (including one used to make sheep noises - don't ask,
      > it's a
      > Welsh thing...
      > Cheers
      > roger
      >
      >
      > On 06/07/2008 20:28, "danny de graan" <info@dannydegraan.nl> wrote:
      >
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Quote: Mr. Banshee wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 00:59
      >> ----------------------------------------------------
      >>> Looking to build a better sounding vocoder than the one included
      >>> already in
      >>> the max/msp bundle (sorry homies, you did a great job, just
      >>> craving for
      >>> something "thicker" and more "robotic" sounding...more Beastie Boys
      >>> "Intergalactic" vibe)
      >>>
      >>> below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i
      >>> am thinking
      >>> of attempting.
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> Any help will be much apprecited (or should i say pointers, cuz i
      >>> RTFM every
      >>> day). Thanks!
      >>> -chuck
      >>
      >> ----------------------------------------------------
      >>
      >> This is not a vocoder. I think its the talking synth from FLAME:
      >>
      >>
      >> Make sure you check out the sound link!!!
      >>
      >> To recreate this kind of sound you need to build some fof
      >> synthesis engine
      >> using a filterbank. Search the forum for some examples.
      >> --
      >> - Danny -
      >
      >
      Cool sounding stuff!
      Is this possible with native msp objects?
    • May 10 2009 | 7:44 am
      marlon brando wrote on Sun, 10 May 2009 06:36 Cool sounding stuff!
      Is this possible with native msp objects?
      Not that I know... But third party externals are fine, enough flavors to choose from. I'd take something which works on Mac and PC if you want it cross platform...
      Stefan
    • Jan 24 2010 | 5:50 pm
      Thanks, but I prefer reverse engineering patches build with native objects.
      It makes it easier to learn, me thinks
    • Jan 24 2010 | 8:29 pm
      I'd lay my money on this being LPC rather than vocoding, but it would appear that Mr. Garton's beaten me to it. His rtcmix~ object will do the LPC stuff jes' fine.
    • Jan 25 2010 | 12:38 am
      try [thicker~] or [phat~]