Strange visual behaviors...

Will Hitchings's icon

A couple of issues...

1) When I load a patcher, it looks empty, no objects visible just the background.

...until I zoom in or out just 1 Click, then everything appears, as normal.

2) A patcher loads, all my stuff is in the Top Left Corner, but the screen is panned a long way off to the Bottom Right Corner, as if there was something down there, but the patch has nothing down in that corner. So I have to pan all the way up to the Top and all the way to the Left to see my stuff.

I have selected just the objects I want, and copied them to a new patch, but the new patch does the same strange behavior.

I have tried Select ALL, and there is nothing down in the bottom right, but the patch thinks there is something there.

TFL's icon

I have no idea about 1). But 2) sounds a lot like your objects are in a negative X and Y position.

The way object coordinates work is that by default 0 0 is the upper left corner of a patch. As you move an object to the right or further down, its X or Y position, respectively, will grow. The thing is: objects position is not limited to positive values and can be set to negative values as well, but when you open a patch, the origin (0, 0) will always match the upper left corner of your window, making objects with negative X and Y hidden further up left.

For example, if you open that patch, it will look empty, but there's actually a [button] at position -300 -300 that you can see if you scroll up and left.

Max Patch
Copy patch and select New From Clipboard in Max.

You can solve this by selecting all of your objects, and move them down and/or to the right until the upmost leftmost object has positive coordinates.

You can check objects coordinates in the inspector:

or the line below for position in Presentation mode. The two next numbers are the objects width and height.