Ableton midi clip program change for Kapture Liine

You could probably modify the device to observe scene or clip firing and set state that way. I don't know how it would all play out in a large live set if you needed really snappy changes though

-A

As Andrew wrote, you may hit a wall due to the very large amount of data potentially included in a large set + the latency needed to observe and set parmeters. If you di this when you launch your scene, then the changes in your mix are likely to be done after the clips in that scene ha ve started to play. That means you would have to launch the snapshot before launching the clips, which can be done of course, but involves evaluating the latency before it is done, which may vary between sets.

Ive just tested it. Im running 26 tracks in ableton on a tune thats nearly finished. Most of the tracks are Arturia prophet and then some drum racks so a fair bit of stuff going on. I put in 4 send/return tracks. I turn the sends on every single chanel on to varying degrees and took a snap shot. I turned them all completely off and took a snap shot of that too. Then i launched a scene and toggled between the two different snap shots as i was playing different scenes. It would instantaneously change the send amounts on 26 chanels as i was simultaneously launching a scene.It works great no latency. It doesnt seem to respond the same as if you would have automated them with a controller when it lags. It just snaps them all straight into place. You should try it guys it takes two secs to do.

Im not really interested in using it to create immediate snappy changes. I would however like to use it when moving through a live set as i was mixing a new song in to be able to recall key settings such a sends returns volumes and effects settings for that tune so when i fully mix it in and switch over to it ive got fully automatable effects sends and returns etc that i can fuck about with and really get inside the tune. But it starts off the way i want it to so it mixes in perfect at the beggining coz i would be working the other tune at that time. Then just move on to the next tune and move through a live set recalling the setting of each tune either assigned to cross fader a or b as you move through.

Thats the idea that I had to use it for if that makes sense. I need to get inside it and figure out how to get it to respond to program change messages other wise i wont be able to use it in this way. Trouble is my knowledge of Max is very very basic I tried to do some tutorials and I just sacked it off and started making tunes ;) Gonna have another shot at it though.

By the way here is my soundcloud if any one wants a listen there is some pretty varied stuff up there

http://soundcloud.com/you/tracks

Would appreciate it if someone who had a good idea about how to do this gave me some advise. Im also going to go through some tutorials when i get the time and will feed abck any thing i find out.

Cheers

IMO global state /preset management in Live leaves a lot to be desired, and while Kapture more or less works (what can one expect for nothing, right?) , it is also pretty klunky in terms of editabity (both in terms of removing/rearranging Kapture presets and adding or removing devices in the Live set), lack of interpolation etc...

It is possible to recall Kapture presets by launching MIDI clips - named after Kapture presets in a track named Kapture where the Kapture device exists - in Session view (if that makes sense), but, In my experience and from memory, that never worked when playing the clips back in the arrangement!

In any case, a while back now, I managed to hack something up that involved a workaround as, if I recall correctly and not mistaken, it was not possible (or I could not work out how) to automate the Kapture preset umenu directly. so what I did was to connect another umenu loaded with as many (numerical) values aka presets as I thought I'd need, connected to the existing preset menu object and automated that object in the Live Arrange view. It should also be possible to control this via external midi etc, but I didn't need that functionality for my purposes - but if this hack works for you, it should at least give you an inkling of how to go about it. Connect this Max fragment to the preset umenu inlet in the Kapture.amxd (and to be safe, save it under a different name) and see how you go....

Nice one Spectro. Gonna give this a shot now. Good way to kill the rest of the afternoon. ;) Some of the things youve mentioned to do in max im unfamilliar with but Im gonna give it a shot and if i hit a brick wall ill hit u up.

Cheers
Rich

Ive not needed to use that max patch yet coz i think it does everything I need using it in the clip way that u explained. Have tested in arrangmenet view and it works too so really usefull stuff.

Cheers
Rich

would that change something for you about the fact you can't automate the change from a clip ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQty2w35qBk&feature=plcp

Well It turns out that I was mistaken about the Kapture midi clip trigger method in the arrangement. It does work. The presets *can be* changed, but the thing that fooled me was that the change is not reflected in the Kapture preset menu - thus the confusion.

As far as attempts at automating the Kapture preset menu (a native max umenu) in the 'usual' way, the problem appeared to be related to the fact that a new umenu element is created with each new kapture preset, and one or both of the following Ableton/M4L 'limitations' as I understood them (at the time) apply: 1. Many (all?) native MaxMSP UI objects (including Umenu) cannot be directly automated and 2. It does not seem possible to add or remove items from the Live menu ( as an alternative to umenu) without manually editing them.

Hello everyone, I just downloaded kapture runnning live 8.1.1
i need to recall a specific setting to re set all values when i use effects with macro knobs.
How do I do a snap shot for these scenario ?
sorry I am new here..
thanxs so much regards from Mexico

when I am mixing i use macro knobs with akai 25 to add some reb, filter, eq, and so on,, i ehd up with a pretty wet signal, and when i need to use that track again I need to manually re set tweak all knobs to its start position to have a dry signal.