Audio Plugin Use

No one uses VST or AU plugs?

That makes it kinda easy

:)

Hey Andrew,

Not really sure what you're asking for. Do you want to know what plugs we use, whether we use VST or AU, or what application we use to host them?

Yeah I want to know what plugs you use in MaxMSP

Thanks

-A

Lots of Soundhack effects; plus some Smartelectronix effects like Crazy Ivan, Supatrigga, and KTgranulator. I use "audiounit~" to bring them into Max. Hope that helps-

-ETK

I rarely (bordering heavily on 'never') use VST or AU plugs in Max.

I'd be slightly more likely to use them in a Max patch that I could pull into a DAW ala Max4Live, except that I don't use Live.

I'd be much more interested in going the other direction - writing max patches that can, say, write automation in interesting ways to any plugin of the user's choosing.

Are you asking because you guys might drop support entirely for running plugins within Max? Even though I don't use them much, I'd think that'd be a bad idea - just because I haven't thought of a use for it yet doesn't mean I don't want to lose that opportunity if something occurs to me.

yes, i am more interested in the other direction please, like the rebirth of pluggo?!

sorry, cheeky, but 3 years on and it is still true.

with regards hosting in max: i rarely (almost never) do it, largely to do with various boring factors related to me and unrelated to this thread. however, i would use max for hosting/testing plugs more often if it was quick and easy. i mean, max is the first program i open and the last program close. it is always open. but if i need to test a vst or au quickly i open some other software. because it is easier. sure, i know the idea of max is that we build our abstractions and save them for later use, but i tend to despise anything i built longer than about 2 weeks ago.

so, what i would like to see is: a new rtas~ object, a new mas~ object, and most importantly of all a new lv2~ object (in preparation of your imminent linux release?!). then i would like to see one excellent solid tested abstraction which is a go to host~ for dropping in plugin types of all shapes and sizes and channel counts and data inputs/outputs and creating automatic max style interfaces but with the ability to hit the 'edit' button and open the standard vst/au/rtas/mas/lv2/whatever interface.

that would make max the most useful and goto app for testing / hosting plugs.

of course i realise the ridiculousness of my post. i just wanted to say it all anyway.

hi

glad you ask

• I actually use VST plug-ins inside max very often, I know I am not the only one to do so (a lot of musicians with whom I collaborate do it as well) and I often use this argument to "attract" some musicians to max (it is easy to load a VST, much easier that to program an "ok" reverb, distortion or even delay, and then it is easy to control its parameters from the "outside world"). Never, so far, used the AU object, but I understand it works in a similar way. I hope you won't drop vst~ object as it is a GREAT way to mix max programming with some easy ready-mades.

• As for those I use most often. GRM tools come to mind (their bandpass is the best bandpass i ever used), OhmForce (mainly their filters, Quad filter and Frohmage, distortions as well), Bertill is a great freeware, reverbs from Audio Damage (Eon is just great!! so pure!!!). Amplitube from IK. And a lot of freewares, mostly in the distortion family - it is difficult to build/hear a good distortion, close in its feel to the analog fuzz stompboxes. depending of the projects, others can be used as well

• Good you ask since I also use Native Instrument products - mainly Guitar Rig and Reaktor, and complained many times (send mails to the support) how those NI interact badly NOW with max (it was not the case in max4, that was great). Guitar Rig has a minor (but unfriendly) problem with its GUI, when the thing with Reaktor is even worse, a loading problem (see support cases 56664 and 59222 for a complete description - I probably also send messages about it on this forum). Now a new version is released (yesterday, 5.6) and the problem is still there - the result being that i don't use Reaktor anymore (sure i can open it in AU~ but the CPU is much higher); I heard there is the same problem with Absynth...

• Last thing - a question about plug-ins/max brings of course to mind PLuggo. Which is dead, I know. But for those who bought it (and bought max as well) wouldn't it be possible to give away the max patches used for the pluggo plug-ins? Would be nice (I know there was a way to "open" pluggos (some sort of hack..), I even did it once years ago, but I totally forgot how to do it.....). You should have those original patches on some hard disk, don't you?

best

kasper

i use mostly instruments with vst~, effects simply need to much CPU when the vectorsize is small.

only request i had is waves preload for all the different versions of waveshell.

yes, everyone else is writing intelligent stuff and i agree with it all.

in my verbosity i forgot to say: vst3 support would be good, and a global concerted effort to develop further tim place's 'plugtastic' environment.

@kaspar, i agree regarding pluggo patches. however, these are now mostly all released as part of maxforlive, so i guess they see them as still a commercial product. even though they could just be copied and pasted by any maxforlive user for you.