better sounding real time pitch shifting then gizmo~?
is there a better sounding realtime pitch shifting abstraction or external than gizmo~?
cpu doesn't matter very much to me. maybe there's something wich doesn't use FFT or maybe using it better?
elastic~ seems the state of the art, search maxobjects.com
Not an easy question. I'm also looking for this.
Depends about what you want to do, which kind of sounds.
On talk.aiff, Gizmo~ even sound better than the elastic~ example attached...
Let me paste my msg from an other topic :
I buyed elastic~, and i'm not so happy with its sound quality. When you put the pitch is going down (or accelerate) it's ok, but when you put the pitch up, it's sounds rather metallic for a "patented algorythm" that's supposed to be used in expensive pro-audio soft like cubase. (hear the example sound attached)
This is not as simple to use as elastic~ but I find the gabor/ftm maxmsp package (totally free**) more powerful on several points: "freezing" effets (see my patch bellow) are must more controlable than with elastic~. For slowing down or pitching up "mono-pitched" sounds, like voice or instrument sounds without noise***, gabor's pitch-shift(see patch), will sometimes sounds really better than elastic~ (hear the example sound attached), Plus it have a formant parameter that is great.
Note: I questioned the elastic team about their differents packages, and they answered me that elasticx~&elasticindex~ sound was less good than elastic~ sound. (they don't explain this on their site)
*** I'm wondering: I think if one would find a good algorithym to "separate" clearly the "noise" and the "pitched" contents of any monophonic sound, then gabor would sound better with sounds that have some "noise" content.
I'm also wondering, With A LOT OF UPSAMPLING in a subpatch, i don't know let's say 44,1Khz to 705Khz (*16), and a big big fft window, woundn't Gizmo~ sound better ???
Thanks,
sorry for the late reaction but thanks for replying and explaining it all.
i'm quite interested in those gabor objects, i've downloaded them from the link you supplied.
how would you use those gabor objects to make them work comparable to gizmo~?
I just started to play with IRCAM FTM plugs the other day. I have to say that they haven't quite made it past the beta stage for Max 5. While I like the concept of these externals( particularly the FTM editor), I think I'm going to have to wait for a more stable release.
@Alexandre
Kind of a bummer to hear that elastic~ isn't quite what the developers claim. I was seriously considering this as an alternative to buying Live.
vst plugs.
/just sain.
Matthew Aidekman wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 18:20vst plugs.
/just sain.
if you know a cheap vst plugin wich can do good relatime pitch shifting without the need of too much CPU please tell me.
but the examples alexandre posted look very interesting if i'd know how to apply them to my patch.
> how would you use those gabor objects to make them work comparable to gizmo~?
look at these gabor examples if you haven't :
gabor.psolastic.maxpat
gabor.psola.maxpat
also gabor.granular.maxpat can do some really nice pitch/time shift effects if you ramp up the time position, but for the sound to be nice and precise you need a BIG grain density like "0.3" or something like that, so this is quite cpu expensive.