C74 Wiki Feedback

    Mar 11 2015 | 10:59 pm
    Hi everyone,
    We're currently looking into the documentation and wiki resources and it would be great to get some of your thoughts on the wiki.
    If you have some time to spare, we've set up a quick Google form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1fEczAe5r_u6-MAJ3MgA2ehnWR_a3Hlve1TPDvsqXRzE/viewform
    Or if you prefer to add your thoughts to this thread, you are also more than welcome to post replies here.

    • Mar 12 2015 | 12:02 am
      " Would you share the C74 wiki with other Max users? "
      NO I'LL KEEP IT ALL FOR MYSELF HAHAHA ..in all seriousness i didn't get the meaning of that question ! %O
    • Mar 12 2015 | 12:30 am
      Ha! I guess it was worded oddly. The question was more if you would share it as a recommended resource.
    • Mar 12 2015 | 1:10 am
      oh ! ...so i'd recommend it as a resource, but there's not a lot of things at the moment, but surely it is constantly improving.
    • Mar 12 2015 | 8:21 am
      Like Vichug says... As a suggestion, I would be really glad to find some improved tutorial or helpfiles about the Dict family.
    • Mar 13 2015 | 2:02 am
      Just filled in the questionary, still I like to post something here: The idea of a WIKI is that it is created by the users-community, so I'd like to encourage everyone to contribute and write articles. I.e the next time someone answers one of the famous FAQs (like "floating point precision", or "max running in a browser") why not writing a short article instead of repeating it again in a new thread ... ;)
    • Mar 13 2015 | 6:22 am
      I've been making max for a almost a year now, and this is actually the first time I've been pointed to the wiki.. so I filled out a form! User generated aggregation embedded in a friendly way in the forums would be amazing. I would link everything jan has ever posted about js. sorry jan. Hashtags are becoming overly ubiquitous so a disguise for that mechanic couldn't hurt.
      I have this pretty vision of the wiki topics eliciting patch cords when clicked, linking all the related forum posts as nodes; then you could see where someone linked a bunch of forum posts together and that person was nice so they left descriptions on the patch cords on why they are linked. Leaving the cycling Dom's would be really nice as well, even in just hyperlinks.
      -ty c74
    • Mar 13 2015 | 9:10 am
      I’ve been making max for a almost a year now, and this is actually the first time I’ve been pointed to the wiki.
      In my opinion the WIKI should be in the "community" tab of the website not only for above mentioned reason (it's a community activity), but also to improve visibility...
    • Mar 13 2015 | 11:20 am
      +1 Jan and Monetus, we're on the same page here any way to help improve the visibility and speed of filling of that wiki would be great :)
    • Mar 13 2015 | 12:31 pm
      one day i might finish what i have started there, but last time i got stuck because the happy adminatrix decided to change the style sheet into something my browser doesnt like.
    • Mar 13 2015 | 8:18 pm
      wiki seems like it might be a good place to archive/curate user patches and threads that show up in the forum that are particularly helpful or address faqs well? (i think the terms of use allow for this? (maybe scrub the names?))
      lots of c74 employee posts have good info and examples at least that are floating around in different threads.
      maybe use some kind of nomination system where so many people have to rate the thread as helpful before it gets added/looked at?
      it could organically grow content for the wiki and i don't know if it would take much extra effort (once in place) than checking wiki pages for vandalism would.
      conversational style tutorials can be helpful, but difficult to write in natural language and this could take care of that. ;) Also, if someone wanted to do a more in-depth write up specifically for the wiki perhaps being able to see previous discussion could make it easier by giving a framework for how to present the information by referencing where and with what people struggle with?
      maybe add custom tags to threads to do further windowing of subjects before someone looks at them to manually categorize?
    • Mar 14 2015 | 10:28 am
      Just this morning I saw another "classic" question being asked. https://cycling74.com/forums/wired-vs-wireless/ Anyone in to drop a few wiki lines about that? :)))
    • Mar 14 2015 | 10:50 am
      +1 for a "helpful" rating. And it would be very good to have a feed mechanism. The possibilty to leave comments/discussions, like "I followed the steps but got stuck at ..." is an established approach. But in case of this site that would probably double the forum too much and making the searching even more time consuming.
      A simple approach could be: The option to invite the author(s) to a new forum thread directly from a WIKI page.
      A bit more sophisticated (and a little more work to implement, but sleeker) is to have WIKI-linked forum threads: Example: I have a question regarding an article and somewhere on the WIKI article page there is a button: "create discussion". This would create a new forum thread, that is internally tagged and linked to the article. On the WIKI page at the bottoms linked thread titles links would be listed (and linked of course). Likewise the forum thread should be linked back to the WIKI article, obviously. Like this the WIKI pages would stay clean, and the ways to communicate here would not be scattered out - still we could discuss WIKI articles. To complete this thought, when creating/editing an article there could be an option "Email notification when new discussion has be created." (With a better wording of course...)
      My 5 cents while having my morning coffee after one long night of work...
    • Mar 14 2015 | 11:16 am
      +1 Jan on the embedded forum thread, it would work like in the Projects or Tools categories !
      but the rating ysstem, i uh i don't know... or maybe just a system of "likes" with no "dislikes"... the society is already competitive enough as it is and needing a certain amount of users to rate before becoming public ? hell that doesn't sound right to me at all. It's wiki already
      The tags though, and custom tags, same kind of tags than the forum ; coud really improve the searching - even if it seems redundant with categories at first sight
    • Mar 14 2015 | 1:41 pm
      The "was helpful rating" should not be competitive or even be used to publish an article. My initial thought was to use that for search result rankings, but not sure about that anymore as needs are very different...
    • Sep 29 2017 | 1:04 pm
      Ok, maybe I'm beating an old horse here, but I can see the wikipedia has been discontinued. I'm currently reading into threads with suggestions for improved documentation for Max, and the wiki was brought up by Rob Ramirez as a possible (future) solution to the points where the help files and forum posts are lacking (some points brought up in the thread was that help files and tutorials doesn't cover all the important information to learn f.i. jitter, while helpful forum posts and patch examples drown in the mass, and aren't structured as properly as tutorials or a wiki would be). So why did the wiki get discontinued, and has cycling thought about replacing the idea with anything else? So sorry if it happens that I'm the ill-informed guy here! Referring to the contents of this thread: https://cycling74.com/forums/curious-about-your-opinions-on-jitter-vs-touch-designer-vs-unreal-vs-unity/
    • Sep 29 2017 | 1:22 pm
      There's so many pointers to it on the forum as well...
      For me, the forum has lost a lot its usefulness as a lot of code has disappeared as a result.
    • Sep 29 2017 | 2:05 pm
      There are a few old Wiki articles I am working on getting back on the main site from the backup, including one that Rob Ramirez points to occasionally (https://cycling74.com/wiki/index.php?title=Porting_Shadertoy_tutorials_to_jit.gl.pix).
      About 75% of the Wiki content was moved to this main site. It became tutorials and articles. Of the remaining 25%, some didn't fit in as an article or tutorial and others were out of date.
      We carefully looked at the visits to and participation on the Wiki. Not enough of either to warrant the time we spent maintaining it.
      If you would, please email website@cycling74.com when there's a Wiki article you're trying to find and I'll point you to it on the current site. If it's not available on the main site, then I'll note it as something we need to get from the backup.
      Thanks, Lilli
    • Sep 29 2017 | 2:36 pm
      That makes sense that the wiki wouldn't be more a thing anymore (given how it was(n't) used), but it was more about keeping links alive (via a redirect or something).
      If I encounter any links, I'll email them over, but I would imagine it's possible to just scrape the whole forum for /wiki/ urls and set up some automatic forwarder since I imagine most people (like me), would just encounter a broken link, and just ignore it.
      (I don't remember what I was searching for at the time, but I ended up landing on several broken links related to the same topic to the point that I just abandoned searching on the forum any more for it)