Genesis Keefer

I can't seem to connect two mc objects together in max for live, the patch cable just keep disappearing. Sorry i am a beginner here, not really sure what's wrong.

I can't seem to connect two mc objects together in max for live, the patch cable just keep disappearing. 

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Can't connect mc objects on max for live

Andy Maskell

Bit of an odd question really but I've been using Max for about 2.5 years now. I've written a huge app that does loads of MIDI processing and a bit of innovative graphics in its interface window (making a clock face out of Dial objects!) but I'm keen to spread my wings a bit more now that the app is finished and working.

So what other programming tools/languages do any of you use for building stuff to use within the Max environment? JavaScript? Python? C++?  Etc. For eample, how easy is it to write code for an external Max object in a different language?

And has anybody ever incorporated Max code into an external programming environment (like Visual Studio) to build a fully linked and compiled application written in C++, for example?

Bit of an odd question really but I've been using Max for about 2.5 years now. 

i-love-max-what's-next!

No need to get sore fingers in a programming language. You can easily spend the next 5 years with MSP and Jitter.

Every programming language it's strength and weaknesses. I couldn't say that there is a natural next step choosing a programming language. It will be project and platform specific. The way I usually find my next step is realising that the tool that I am using is not good (enough) for a task that I try to achieve and then I look for another tool. Which limitations do you encounter using Max? 


I suppose, in context, I first learnt to write programs, a long, loooong time ago, using Fortran and machine code on punched cards running on a PDP-11!!! Along the way, I've dabbled with various versions of BASIC and then Pascal and a tiny morsel of C+. These were, by necessity, all highly structured languages. The idea of using a graphic programming interface like Max has been amazing but I am aware that it can also generate some rather messy and inefficient algorythms if I am not careful!

I suppose that one thing I would like to do is to take some of the modules I have wrriten in Max, understand how they are presented to the interpretter, and possibly re-write them as external modules in a compiled language like C++ or Python.

It was just one of those crazy ideas we get in bed at night! 😂🤣😂

Are you familiar with OpenFrameworks(C++) or Processing (Java/JS)? If not i can really recommend looking into those, tons of info available. Both can run on a raspberry pi.

What's your discipline of choice btw; Dsp or Jitter? Because my suggestion are more jitter-focussed. On the Dsp side i would recommend Csound, SuperCollider or simply go straight to the source (of Max) with Juce with the added disclaimer that i haven't actually used any of these. (i have used (and use) processing and openframeworks though).

And if your focus is Jitter than i'd say stick with Max but learn OpenGl. But if you really want to branch out VVVV is really cool and also node-based...

All suggestions mentioned are free of charge (up to a certain point for some)

I Love Max - What's next?!

Dan Nigrin

OK I'm kind of slow tonight, and can't figure this out.  As part of a bigger patch, I generate some numbers which represent ASCII characters, and which I aggregate into a list to define a longer string.  That string can sometimes can have multiple space characters (ascii 32) in a row, between words.  I'd like to preserve those spaces, and display everything in a textedit.  I can't seem to do it, without having to have quotes displayed around the entire string, as the patch below shows.  How to fix?

OK I'm kind of slow tonight, and can't figure this out. 

displaying-multiple-spaces-in-textedit

You can use comment instead, it does not show quotes.


Or - use ascii 160 instead of repeated 32 in case you need to use textedit


Thanks!  I can't use comment in my use case, but using ascii 160 is a *great* idea, thank you again!  You always come to the rescue for my questions @source audio!!  :-) 

You are welcome, I hope uncle cycling is not reading this and then "fix"
removal of several spaces if 160 is used , ha, ha


nonbreaking space would have been my idea, too.

also works with lcd.

if it is safe to use in the future or with certain other objects? we will see. :)

displaying multiple spaces in textedit

Nicolas Bazoge

Hi all, 
I would like to send OSC from Max in TCP IP but I can't find how to do it. 
I tried with the Sadam library but from what I understand, the objects only allow to transmit binary data and not OSC messages. 
Strangely, I find very few resources or posts about this on the forums. 
Would someone please tell me how to do this?

Hi all, 
I would like to send OSC from Max in TCP IP but I can't find how to do it. 

osc-over-tcp-ip

not sure if it helps here, but you can use UDP for OSC, too.

then your choice might fall on [udpsend]?

I usually use OSC via UDP but this time the application I want to control remotely requires me to use TCP IP protocol.

insert atoi between your OSC message and sadam.tcpSender.

P.S. as alternative 
mxj net.tcp.send
but ... you are better off without java.


If you need OSC mesaage encoding and decoding, you could possibly try something like this:

replacing the [sadam.udpClient] with [sadam.tcpClient]. Can't say for certain that it will work though!!! 

you better not overcomplicate ...
I will repeat - this is all it needs
(mxj here only for demonstration that message gets sent correctly)


Herstellung und Vertrieb von Tabakersatz- und Dampfprodukten
vapes

Thank you but I'm looking to send OSC messages over TCP/IP, not binary data.

As far as I understand the OSC protocol it is inherently based on UDP.  Basically an extension to UDP. if you cannot send UDP directly and. binary data is not an option my knowledge doesn’t suffice how to do it. 

TCP is a quite flexible and and powerful protocol though. Maybe there is a way tunneling UDP via TCP - but that’s above my networking knowledge and it most probably would require some configuration and/or technology outside Max.

My assumption is that you are looking for a way to send OSC via the internet? Is that correct? In that case you could send UDP directly and configure the router on the receiving end to open a port for UDP. would that be an option? 

max udpsend & receive are free of OSC syntax rules, you can use plain text.
Same applies to tcp objects.



But, if receiver side is limited to parsing CNMAT OSC packets,
for TCP one would have to encode packets according to what receiver side
expects, OSC 1.0 or 1.1
You might check cnmat OSC  & odot stuff to form messages and send using sadam.tcpSender



That's exactly the point. The software I'm trying to control with Max requires formatting the data to the OSC 1.0 standard.
I found a pdf document from their website  describing how the OSC should be integrated. Here is an interesting extract in relation with what you said:
" The preferred method for transmitting and receiving OSC packets is over a TCP connection.  The app will listen for incoming TCP connections on Port 3032. When using TCP, each OSC packet begins with a 4-byte uint32 specifying the size of the OSC content that directly follows.  This is part of the OSC specification. (ex: <4-bytes: osc packet size=65 bytes><65-bytes, osc packet data>). "

I'm not sure how to format such a message in Max from a simple OSC text message sent by a [message] object  but I'll dig. If you have an example to speed up my tests, I will be very grateful.


here is one example using slip encoded messages.
check difference between odot  and OpenSoundControl
when it comes to negative int values.
Also odot sent floats are ignored in  slipOSC/OpenSoundControl


cnmat externals and odot packages are both arm compatible


check o.downcast  in odot, cnmat stuff is mostly uninformative
and explained in complicated way...

would it cost that much to post what that software is, that
you try to send messages to ?



That's a lighting software named Eos from ETC. I am currently developing a free Max application called TwisterEos (https://en.nolaskey.com/twistereos) to control this software with the Midi Fighter Twister controller.
I'm currently using UDP and everything works fine, but for reasons of robustness and ease of configuration at startup, I'd like to try using TCP/IP, even if it may generate a little latency.
I didn't know this ODOT library, thanks for this and for your example patch.

Yes Eos can use both (OSC 1.0 and 1.1).
I haven't yet looked at the main differences between the two and which one would be better, but since I also use a remote control application (on a tablet and smartphone) that runs on OSC 1.0, I would like to be able to stay on this version of the OSC protocol.
- Is there an object equivalent to [slipOSC] that formats messages in OSC 1.0?
- Moreover, for my application (TwisterEos) I need to send OSC to Eos but also to receive it. Therefore should I use a tcpClient object, or a tcpSender + a tcpReceiver ?

It gets more and more compicated, that means you are also using UDP
from that remote app.

odot package has external  named o.downcast, which claims to
produce bundles conforming to OSC 1.0 specs.
You simply need to try if you need odot or OpenSoundControl.
I guess you did some tests, or is this only theoretic talk ?

There is another option - ETCLabs OSCrouter that can convert between all that...

about sadam objects, no idea if it serves you better to use
simple sender and receiver, or client / server ?
depends on the compete configuration and all units in the network.
Honestly, I have no idea.


OSC over TCP IP

Geoffroy Pinceloup

Hello, I would like to be able to create a max for live program that can link with external software.
Here are some illustrated explanations (jpeg).
Link Facebook group max users, for more explications : https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1465951103935166&set=gm.2505614916244726&idorvanity=247243672081873 

I would like to know how to proceed if possible.

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Hello, I would like to be able to create a max for live program that can link with external software.
Here are some illustrated ... 

create-a-max-for-live-program-that-can-link-with-external-software

What do you mean by linking with other software? Time sync, data exchange, audio streams .... ?



The goal is to give Ableton Live full access to a Standalone program (Vienna Ensemble Pro Server).
Full access to MIDI data.
I say totally because Ableton Live only allows restricted access.

For example: Ableton allows me access to 700 midi tracks and the Standalone program offers 2000.
I could access the other 1300 through a program made under MAX.


If possible.
I tried to share a JPEG image, but it doesn't seem to be visible.
Thank you for your attention

create a max for live program that can link with external software.

Alexander Buers

Is it possible to hide the Menu and Toolbar in Windows?

does not work. Crtl+8 of course works but I want to start the patch without it.
I miss the runtime for stuff like that!

Is it possible to hide the Menu and Toolbar in Windows?
;
hideMenuBar 
does not work. 

hide-menu-bar-in-windows

read helpfile of thispatcher object, window messages.
Patcher inspector can disable toolbar and sidebar


Hide Menu Bar in Windows 10?

pwdm

Is there anyway to access the name of a macro?

Would like to be able to send a list of names thru OSC to lemur/touchosc.

Checked the LOM and could not find it. So just checking if I missed something.

Sorry wrong forum.
Is there anyway to access the name of a macro?

Would like to be able to send a list of names thru OSC to ... 

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Juan Flores

In the Max MSP synthesis tutorials, there are visual screenshots of a [cycle~] object output going into a [plot~]. I know you can use plot~ as a sort of oscilloscope, but in the tutorial it looks like it did a plot of a slice of time from audio rate data, similar to how the SuperCollider's .plot works, where you enter a period of time you want to capture and it plots the result after that time has passed. Is this possible to do within Max?

Hello, 
In the Max MSP synthesis tutorials, there are visual screenshots of a [cycle~] object output going into a [plot~]. 

using-plot~-like-supercolliders-poll

Using plot~ like Supercolliders .poll?

Bill 2

I want to do some stuff with a friend whose Windows laptop is "64bit bit i3 processor with 4gb ram". He won't be editing anything, just using the MIDI-only Max 8.3.3 patches I send him using the demo version of Max 8 (as recommended in the FAQ).

Does anyone know if that'll work? Or does Max 8 need more power to even start up, even before trying to load a patch?

He has a very low download limit at the moment and doesn't want to waste it on a 624Mb download that won't work. Thanks in advance!

I want to do some stuff with a friend whose Windows laptop is "64bit bit i3 processor with 4gb ram". 

can-a-midi-only-max-8-patch-run-in-an-underspecced-windows-machine

should be no problem at all to run max and midi on even much older machine.
But sometimes people have their windows laptops so bloated with stuff that it can't
even run text editor with acceptable speed.
Also, since max 5, you can use  99 %  of max patches in max versions 5,6,7,8
without much changes except visual (due to gui handling) without restrictions.
Means if you share patch made with max 8.3.3 , someone can run it on max 5 32 bit, if max objects are not max 8 only.
P.S. i would recommend max 6 runtime as it is really small download.
Just take care to use midi objects that work same way in max 6 as in your Max version.


It took a while to get around to this, and it turns out that he's using Windows 10 (but advertised as "having Windows 11 features"). More importantly, Max 6 crashes the machine in a way that requires reinstallation of whole lot of stuff. Max 8 needs a better CPU, and so it looks like he'll need Max 7.

But with Max Runtime no longer happening in Max 7 I can't see how to get patches to him. On Mac they could just be zipped, emailed and used, no saving required. But patches are platform-specific, aren't they? So zipped and emailed patches wouldn't work. And Copy Compressed files emailed to him won't be saveable after 30 days.

patches are cross platform and in max 7 or earlier he can use the seperate free runtime.

Then why is the usually-recommended method for sharing to use Copy Compressed -> New From Clipboard, I wonder? Can't wait to try it now. Cheers!

compressed patch can only be pasted into edit enabled max,
not runtime.
ALL max versions have runtime versions, even that for some reason,
they get hidden on mac ??
On windows, you can see them plain, but on mac,
unzip runtime.zip fie in resourcs folder and then you can use runtime binary instead of max, by placing it into contents/macOS folder

that is what gets done when standalone gets built....



Can a Midi-only Max 8 patch run in an underspecced Windows machine?

J Mangel

i wrote a bpatcher which scripts commonly used bpatchers (a multiosc, a sequencer, etc). The obvious problem is that any new bpatchers are generated within the scripting bpatcher, and not into the main patch, at the same hierarchy level as the scripting bpatcher. any ideas here? a thispatcher command which directs the bpatcher to script into the main patch? 

i wrote a bpatcher which scripts commonly used bpatchers (a multiosc, a sequencer, etc). 

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edit: adding a send from within bpatcher to main patcher works. 

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Can't connect mc objects on max for live

I can't seem to connect two mc objects together in max for live, the patch cable just keep disappearing.

I Love Max - What's next?!

Are you familiar with OpenFrameworks(C++) or Processing (Java/JS)? If not i can really recommend looking into those, tons of info ...

displaying multiple spaces in textedit

Thanks Roman!

OSC over TCP IP

It gets more and more compicated, that means you are also using UDP from that remote app. odot package has external named o.downcast, ...

create a max for live program that can link with external software.

Thank you for your attention :) The goal is to give Ableton Live full access to a Standalone program (Vienna Ensemble Pro Server). Full ...

Hide Menu Bar in Windows 10?

read helpfile of thispatcher object, window messages. Patcher inspector can disable toolbar and sidebar

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Sorry wrong forum. Is there anyway to access the name of a macro? Would like to be able to send a list of names thru OSC to ...

Using plot~ like Supercolliders .poll?

Hello, In the Max MSP synthesis tutorials, there are visual screenshots of a [cycle~] object output going into a [plot~].

Can a Midi-only Max 8 patch run in an underspecced Windows machine?

compressed patch can only be pasted into edit enabled max, not runtime. ALL max versions have runtime versions, even that for some ...

a bpatcher which scripts another patcher in the main patch

edit: adding a send from within bpatcher to main patcher works.

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I can't seem to connect two mc objects together in max for live, the patch cable just keep disappearing.

Are you familiar with OpenFrameworks(C++) or Processing (Java/JS)? If not i can really recommend looking into those, tons of info ...

Thanks Roman!

It gets more and more compicated, that means you are also using UDP from that remote app. odot package has external named o.downcast, ...

Thank you for your attention :) The goal is to give Ableton Live full access to a Standalone program (Vienna Ensemble Pro Server). Full ...

read helpfile of thispatcher object, window messages. Patcher inspector can disable toolbar and sidebar

Sorry wrong forum. Is there anyway to access the name of a macro? Would like to be able to send a list of names thru OSC to ...

Hello, In the Max MSP synthesis tutorials, there are visual screenshots of a [cycle~] object output going into a [plot~].

compressed patch can only be pasted into edit enabled max, not runtime. ALL max versions have runtime versions, even that for some ...

edit: adding a send from within bpatcher to main patcher works.

Can't connect mc objects on max for live