i am no expert. i muddle along with all this stuff and get reasonable results. you need to introduce the secret MSP 1 vector delay:

you should search this forum as there are many excellent patch examples of exactly this sort of thing, going back many years. basically, sah~ is your friend, small use of vector delay is your friend, and you will be interested in the awesome volker bohm external [vb.phasor0~] and the andrew benson signal externals, especially [wait~].

good luck.

p.s. - you only want 1 phasor~ for EVERYTHING. use the rate~ object lots to split up your syncs and timings. also, forgot to mention:

best

oops! that first exaample should have been audio rate send/receives of course!

Thanks for the advice. But all your examples use a delay of 1 signal vector. Maybe this isn't that bad. But actually I'd rather have my patch to be absolutely sample-accurate.

So I wondered if there was any other way to do this. Maybe some construction which doesn't involve feedback. Then you wouldn't need the vector delay.

I wouldn't call myself a digital-audio/DSP guru, but I've been researching this exact topic for several months and all the above comments and recommendations hold true in my own implementation of a granulator in Max.

There are numerous threads here, going back several years recommending different approaches and the 'central' [phasor~] to [play~] plus [sah~] algorithm works best (for me);

+1 for vbphasor~; it does exactly what is expected - I just built my own though, for more specific control.

This related thread may take you someplace helpful... https://cycling74.com/forums/help-with-an-exercise-about-filters

Brendan

Hey,

But this actually doesn't work. I've tried both the tapin~ tapout~ and the send~ receive~.

Hi

now it works:

Later this weekend I will be posting a detailed video description of one approach to audio rate granulation, on my blog if you wish to see it:

Best Brendan

Thanks. I'll use this then for now. I'll check out your video, maybe it'll help me with some other difficulties.

oops, sorry: