johnisfaster

I've been away from max for a bit and I wasn't that great with it before I went away. I made a few basic things that worked but I always had massive gaps in my understanding of things and I would spend hours figuring out how to do something that I feel like probably took other people 10 minutes. It's that reason that I finally walked away from max because I just couldn't dedicate a whole day to figuring out a tiny piece of a patch I was working on.

I know where the tutorials are. You'd think I'd just find the information there. But I can waste an hour in the tutorials and not find the answer I was looking for.

I made a sampler that runs through lores~ and I want to modulate the cutoff of lores. "Oh that's so simple" right? I can't figure it out. I can connect a live.dial to it and that works, but no matter what I copy and paste from other patches to get it to modulate it just doesn't work and I know I'm missing something simple.

I open up other peoples patches or the tutorial patches and I see these massive elaborate patches that modulate a parameter and I'm like "alright... this does that then it goes there and for some reason theres an exper something and it adds here and multiplies there.... I don't know why..... but if I just copy and paste all of these here it should work I think." nope. Most the time I connect everything up in a way that seems like it should work and nothing even happens.

I know it's simple. I know any one of you could show me how to modulate cutoff using maybe 2 or 3 modules. So, please hold my hand and tell me what I'm missing.

I've been away from max for a bit and I wasn't that great with it before I went away.  I made a few basic things that worked but I always had massive gaps in my understanding of things and I would spend hours figuring out how to do something that I feel like probably took other people 10 minutes.  It's that reason that I finally walked away from max because I just couldn't dedicate a whole day to figuring out a tiny piece of a patch I was working on.
I know where the tutorials are.  You'd think I'd just find the information there.  But I can waste an hour in the tutorials and not find the answer I was looking for.

I made a sampler that runs through lores~ and I want to modulate the cutoff of lores.  "Oh that's so simple" right? I can't figure it out.  I can connect a live.dial to it and that works, but no matter what I copy and paste from other patches to get it to modulate it just doesn't work and I know I'm missing something simple.

I open up other peoples patches or the tutorial patches and I see these massive elaborate patches that modulate a parameter and I'm like "alright... this does that then it goes there and for some reason theres an exper something and it adds here and multiplies there.... I don't know why..... but if I just copy and paste all of these here it should work I think." nope. Most the time I connect everything up in a way that seems like it should work and nothing even happens. 

I know it's simple. I know any one of you could show me how to modulate cutoff using maybe 2 or 3 modules. So, please hold my hand and tell me what I'm missing.


hold-my-hand-i-guess-how-do-i-modulate-filter-cutoff

If you look at the help file for lores~ it will be really obvious

Yeah, I put this demo patch together showing manual, swept and LFO filter cutoff modulation, and it's kinda there in the helpfile as nicnut sez:

I see the help for lores which shows me how to use a line~ to modulate. What if I want a sine lfo?

Also, how do I find what range any given input is looking for? What is the min and max for the cutoff input?

I see the help for lores which shows me how to use a line~ to modulate. What if I want a sine lfo? 

Also, how do I find what range any given input is looking for? What is the min and max for the cutoff input?


...it says so when you mouse-over the input. It also says so in the reference file.

It's "cutoff frequency", which roughly means 0-20k, give or take.

Ok maybe I really am the slowest person on the planet. When I mouse over the cuttoff inlet it says "signal/float frequency cutoff" and that basically tells me nothing about the range it's looking for, unless "signal/float" is telling me exactly what it's looking for and I just don't recognize what it's saying. In the reference file the only thing I see about range is for the range of the resonance being 0-1. I can't find anywhere in the reference where it says "cutoff inlet goes from 0-20,000.

Maybe max just isn't for me. Despite all the stuff I've actually got to work I just always feel like a caveman trying to hit it with a rock.

Ok maybe I really am the slowest person on the planet.  When I mouse over the cuttoff inlet it says "signal/float frequency cutoff" and that basically tells me nothing about the range it's looking for, unless "signal/float" is telling me exactly what it's looking for and I just don't recognize what it's saying.  In the reference file the only thing I see about range is for the range of the resonance being 0-1.  I can't find anywhere in the reference where it says "cutoff inlet goes from 0-20,000.

Maybe max just isn't for me. Despite all the stuff I've actually got to work I just always feel like a caveman trying to hit it with a rock.


Brendan. Your patch helped. I honestly couldnt find the lfo part in the help docs. And there lays my problem I guess. Whenever I cant figure something out Im told "its right there in the docs" but for the life of me I cant find it.

it doesn't specify a range, because anybody might want any range, right? Why should it specify the range you want?

"but I can waste an hour in the tutorials and not find an answer"

MSP tutorials #2 and #9 are a good starting point. The problem for learners is that, because Max is so powerful and flexible, the bundled documentation CANNOT address every single possible use-case scenario. We all use Max in so many different ways. So, we have to learn the fundamentals before adapting it to our own use. And that's why the tutorials are there. Don't dismiss them, use them. Trust me, in a few short months you'll be all over Max like a bad thing!

Google Max tutorials too. Peter Elsea, Christopher Dobrian, BazTutorials, dude837, Peter Batchelor, Maurizio Giri. There's literally a ton of stuff out there, all accessible to beginner and developer alike . . . . go for it

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it doesn't specify a range, because anybody might want any range, right? Why should it specify the range you want?

Google Max tutorials too. Peter Elsea, Christopher Dobrian, BazTutorials, dude837, Peter Batchelor, Maurizio Giri. There's literally a ton of stuff out there, all accessible to beginner and developer alike . . . . go for it


What I meant by range is "what is the min and max values the inlet is meant to receive?" Like 0 is fully closed and 20,0000 is fully open. Even now Im not sure if thats true.

If it helps, you can think of it like that, although "cutoff frequency" does not equate to an open or closed filter. Again, the range 0Hz - 20kHz is just user-specified, it can be any range within that range. Play with the lores helpfile, and look in the MSP tutorials for "filter"; Google "cutoff frequency".

to try to clarify the cutoff frequency : it's a base in musical acoustic theory ; the human ear hears the sound from 20 to 20 000 Hz. That's why we automatically think of it those numbers as the boundaries of an input frequency ; although the inlet of lores will accept any frequency really. Those kind of basis in acoustic are explained in the first chapters of the max tutorials again... it's kinda more complicated to dive into the results of a google search for "cutoff frequency" than to do some max tutorials ;p

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-pass_filter

but the emphasis on the Max tutorials persists

>> Also, how do I find what range any given input is looking for? What is the min and max for the cutoff input?

use the online object references for example:

https://cycling74.com/docs/max5/refpages/msp-ref/lores~.html

for some objects it is enough already to type their name into google if you want to know what stuff the like at their third input. :)

Hold my hand I guess. How do I modulate filter cutoff?