Inspector request


    Apr 23 2006 | 8:46 am
    Would be possible/simple to make the inspector,
    and Get Info... in particular, behave like the
    Finder when it comes to multiple selections of
    the same object? That is, if I select 12 panels,
    could the inspector figure out that they're the
    same object, rather than gagging on the "multiple
    objects selected" error?
    J.

    • Apr 26 2006 | 7:46 am
      I'd love that, but might be hard to implement...
      The workaround almost as convenient: change one, copy it and then paste
      replace the others. Disadavntage it would always make an identical copy
      and not just for the parameters you want to change...
      Stefan
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    • Apr 26 2006 | 8:06 am
    • Apr 26 2006 | 8:28 am
      Quote: Stefan Tiedje wrote on Wed, 26 April 2006 01:46
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      > jbmaxwell wrote:
      > > That is, if I select 12 panels, could the inspector figure out that
      > > they're the same object, rather than gagging on the "multiple objects
      > > selected" error?
      >
      > I'd love that, but might be hard to implement...
      >
      > The workaround almost as convenient: change one, copy it and then paste
      > replace the others.
      the textfield object is nice for that, i am using
      it in some inspectors.
      simply paste a string and the settings are copied
      from one to another.
      what if you want to open 2 inspectors and do
      _different settings to them?
      then it would also be nice to select 2 objects and
      one click would bring up _both inspectors.
      btw, [coll] can also store values and settings inside
      inspectors. use coll to store, set coll to "save with
      patch" and then add an auto-save funtion to the
      inspector s close button.
    • Apr 26 2006 | 8:48 am
      Another alternative (as of 4.5.5) is to use UI Prototypes. Check out
      "What's New in 4.5.5".
      I know you hate to read, Stefan, but it's amazing what you can learn
      if you scan through the documentation once in a while. Like they say
      on Sesamstrasse: Wer nicht liesst bleibt...
      However, the idea would be a killer enhancement. Go for it, C74. Yay,
      team!
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    • Apr 26 2006 | 9:00 am
      On 26 avr. 06, at 10:48, Peter Castine wrote:
      > Like they say on Sesamstrasse: Wer nicht liesst bleibt...
      Peter, du kennst deine Klassiker nicht ;-)
      Wer nicht _fragt_ bleibt...
      Roby
    • Apr 26 2006 | 9:56 am
    • Apr 26 2006 | 10:07 am
      On 26-Apr-2006, at 11:00, Roby Steinmetzer wrote:
      > Peter, du kennst deine Klassiker nicht ;-)
      >
      > Wer nicht _fragt_ bleibt...
      Ich kenne meine Sesamstrasse sehr wohl, aber es gibt auch sowas wie
      Paraphrase. -- P
    • Apr 26 2006 | 10:13 am
      That is good... don't think I've ever used it though. You know, I can't even remember what "Get Info..." properties I was trying to change, or on what object. But whatever object it was wouldn't accept them as messages, only via Get Info... That's when a more Finder-like Get Info would be handy. Actually, that triggers something in my head. The Finder uses command-option-I to do a sort of "global" Get Info... (floating-window version), so maybe Max could do that as well? Maybe?
      J.
    • Apr 26 2006 | 11:38 am
      duh... that didn't even occur to me, but of course the Get Info is written in Max, isn't it!?? I love being a moron, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside... :-
      And what's worse is that this is probably all covered, yes... "in the documentation", meaning that I'll soon be the target of all the whining on that other thread equating "forum" with "stupidity".
      Probably the most straightforward way to work this out, then, would be to do a Get Info... on the desired object, then unlock the info window and have a peek inside to see all the info tricks in action.
      Thanks for pointing that out.
      cheers,
      J.
    • Apr 26 2006 | 12:09 pm
    • Apr 26 2006 | 5:16 pm
      One cool feature to add to the inspector would be the size attributes
      in X, Y (for objects other than panel). Would save time and eyesight
      from squinting at the lower-left corner...
      Peter McCulloch
    • Apr 26 2006 | 8:16 pm
      Peter Castine wrote:
      > I know you hate to read, Stefan, but it's amazing what you can learn if
      > you scan through the documentation once in a while. Like they say on
      > Sesamstrasse: Wer nicht liesst bleibt...
      I know, especially since I built my Max Overview patch which will fire
      up the manuals out of Max. Though in this case paste replace is way
      faster if you have a shortcut on it...
      Stefan
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    • Apr 27 2006 | 4:41 am
      > I know you hate to read, Stefan, but it's amazing what you can learn
      > if you scan through the documentation once in a while.
      endlich haben wir _ihn mal erwischt.
      i prefer a different method at the moment; i usually
      connect messages (like brgb or enable and this kind
      of stuff) to the first instace of an object and
      copy it later including "its" message boxes until i
      know what settings will be the right ones.
      calling inspectors is not very comfortable at all and
      there is no way to enhace this system.
      though, i somethings think it would be nice to
      call up inspectors with alt-click alternative of the
      help files.
    • Apr 27 2006 | 5:28 am
      Quote: peter.mcculloch@gmail.com wrote on Wed, 26 April 2006 11:16
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      > One cool feature to add to the inspector would be the size attributes
      > in X, Y (for objects other than panel). Would save time and eyesight
      > from squinting at the lower-left corner...
      >
      > Peter McCulloch
      you can do that yourself very easy by adding
      2 numberboxes and 1 messagebox to the inspector, don t you.
      in this context ... here is an example how to
      control several inspectors of the same - or even
      of different types - at once by sending messages to
      the inspectors. yeah i know, you still have to open 20
      inspectos for 20 objects, but at least this way you
      only have to type the messages you want to send only
      once.
      further enhancements for inspectors could be to
      implement textfield objects where you type long
      lists like
      "255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
      255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255",
      to set all 8 waveform object colors at once, or
      whatever you need to do regulary and hate the default
      look of the object inspector.
      save the following as [panel-insp.pat] and
      put it in the inspector folder - make a copy of your
      original first - and you can see how simple inspectors
      can look.
      once you have the balls you exchange the inspectors
      it is a nobrainer to make your own.
      by using recieve obejcts you can create your
      personal inspector-remote patch which sends rgb values
      to all open inspectors o a chosen object type. by entering
      the values only once.
      [panel-insp.pat]
      max v2;
      - inspector 110 (na das passt wieder, was?)
    • Apr 29 2006 | 1:15 pm
      Quote: Stefan Tiedje wrote on Fri, 28 April 2006 09:51
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      > Roman Thilenius wrote:
      > > i somethings think it would be nice to call up inspectors with
      > > alt-click alternative of the help files.
      >
      > Hah! selbst erwischt:~) cmd-i
      dont get me wrong, but cmd-i is not an alt-click,
      cmd-i is cmd-i.
      i was asking for a click because the existing key
      commands suck.
      maybe i misunderstand you? :)
      -110?
    • May 01 2006 | 8:40 am
      Roman Thilenius wrote:
      > maybe i misunderstand you? :)
      In diesem Fall darf es auf keinen Fall so verstanden werden wie es
      gemeint war... ;-)
      Stefan
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    • Jul 14 2006 | 10:18 pm
      Missed that message, sorry.
      Yes, the toolbox can totally do this. Any message you can send to an object using a message box you can do it with the toolbox. Just select one or more objects, hit command-r, type in what you want and hit enter. So if you have 8 sliders and send them "64" (without the quotes) they will all be set at the value of 64. If you have some number boxes that need to have a minimum of 0, you would send "min 0". Note that you can send multiple messages by separating them with a comma like in a message box. It's really the same thing as connecting a message box to one or several objects and clicking on it.