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Not seeing a 64 bit version on the web. Did some really nice stuff with that. Apparently MSD~ got folded into PMPD. PMPD seems like "universal binary" (ie 32 bit intel) was the last update

Not seeing a 64 bit version on the web.  Did some really nice stuff with that.   Apparently MSD~ got folded into PMPD.  PMPD seems like "universal binary" (ie 32 bit intel) was the last update

Not seeing a 64 bit version on the web.  Did some really nice stuff with that.   Apparently MSD~ got folded into PMPD.  PMPD seems like "uni

is-pmpd-msd~-dead

i´ve always wished to have a msp patch version of the basic pmpd objects.

There’s migen but it’s 2d and I can’t quite figure out how the mass spring damper math works in 3D because I’m a little stupid.

i dont need 3d... but i know that such a 2d to 3d conversion is sometimes more complicated than one would hope. i had my fun converting beziercurves once (signal). the beziercurve was in my brain after a while but still not in the patcher window.


i dont need 3d... but i know that such a 2d to 3d conversion is sometimes more complicated than one would hope. i had my fun converting beziercurves once (signal).  the beziercurve was in my brain after a while but still not in the patcher window.

think it requires vector math, which I don’t know? might make a good question somewhere.

think it requires vector math, which I don’t know?   might make a good question somewhere.

depending on what you do there are various methods. in best case it is nothing more than 2 copies of the 2d process.

try something simple like checking where a point is.

in 1D, to see if {7} it is left or right from {5} it would be 

in 2D, to see if {7, 5} is below or above {5, -12}, it would be $f1>5 && $f2>-12

in 3D, to see if {7, 5, 11} is below or above {5, -12, 30} it would be $f1>5 && $f2>-12 &&$f3>30

well, unless you want to ask for the conditions individually, because that is one other option, how a multidimensional version could look like.

if you move {2, 3} for {1, 10} they will end up at {3, 13}

and if you now add a z-axis to the system the z-axis will not be affected by the operation done to the other axis, right?

vector math, i dont know. you dont have a 3D vexpr in max. so it is the other way round: in case your 2D version uses vexpr, you should detangle that to basic vanilla objects beore you make a 3D version.


depending on what you do there are various methods. in best case it is nothing more than 2 copies of the 2d process.

try something simple like checking where a point is.

in 1D,  to see if {7} it is left or right from {5} it would be $f1>5 

in 2D, to see if {7, 5} is below or above {5, -12}, it would be $f1>5 && $f2>-12

in 3D, to see if {7, 5, 11} is below or above {5, -12, 30}  it would be  $f1>5 && $f2>-12 &&$f3>30

well, unless you want to ask for the conditions individually, because that is one other option, how a multidimensional version could look like.

another example: addition.

if you move {2, 3} for {1, 10} they will end up at {3, 13}

and if you now add a z-axis to the system the z-axis will not be affected by the operation done to the other axis, right?

vector math, i dont know. you dont have a 3D vexpr in max. so it is the other way round: in case your 2D version uses vexpr, you should detangle that to basic vanilla objects beore you make a 3D version.

got a screenshot of your migen patch?



no screen shots. It's a library someone else is creating. Really interesting work. Seems a little complicated for gen but it works well!

no screen shots.  It's a library someone else is creating.  Really interesting work.  Seems a little complicated for gen but it works well! 

http://www.nimon.org/index.php?id=software

softwarepage is gone long ago. nobody ever made intelmac/64?

http://www.nimon.org/index.php?id=software 
softwarepage is gone long ago. nobody ever made intelmac/64?



we could open up a new thread called "is PMPD / MSD~ dead?" and see if someone knows.

back in the days i was hoping that maxobjects.com might become the place where people request and provide updates and ports.

We were just talking the other day about how max patches have staying power and I've lost my most prized one. :/

We were just talking the other day about how max patches have staying power and I've lost my most prized one.  :/

not saying it´s your fault .. but ... never rely on third party externals / if you do, know that they might expire one day.


not saying it´s your fault .. but ... never rely on third party externals / if you do, know that  they might expire one day.




fwiw, pmpd is still available in pure data and the sources are around. so the lib is not completely lost.

Even found the ub sources for max on my machine, but they really look old. updating those to 64bit will probably need as much work as starting to port the pd sources from scratch.

couldn't find any sources for msd, though. 

fwiw, pmpd is still available in pure data and the sources are around. so the lib is not completely lost.
Even found the ub sources for max on my machine, but they really look old. updating those to 64bit will probably need as much work as starting to port the pd sources from scratch.
couldn't find any sources for msd, though. 
anyone?


I'm looking for a 64 bit MSD as well! OR is there an approximation someone could do in Jit.phys to have 3 masses each attached serially with a spring?

. for a 3 body system you need 2 phys.6dof's and 3 phys.body's. here's a slight modification to the 

spring constraints are enabled via jit.phys.6dof. for a 3 body system you need 2 phys.6dof's and 3 phys.body's.  here's a slight modification to the phys.6dof.spring.maxpat example patch demonstrating this.

This is low priority though right? Like you can’t do anything audio rate. 

there was a gen library I was working with which is in its infancy but it’s 1D only. Scaling up to 3D is not as simple as doing the algorithk in X, Y and Z separately. I really miss having MSD and PMPD. 

I wish there was a way to do it with Matrices on a graphics card.

This is low priority though right?  Like you can’t do anything audio rate.  


there was a gen library I was working with which is in its infancy but it’s 1D only.  Scaling up to 3D is not as simple as doing the algorithk in X, Y and Z separately.  I really miss having MSD and PMPD.  

I wish there was a way to do it with Matrices on a graphics card.  

Thanks @Robert! This gets the point across nicely. This might be a newbie question for those familiar with the jit.phys world, but how do you get the positional data of the 3 bodies to send to something else as control-rate data streams?

sorry for missing this. to query jitter attributes simply send the message 

 to the object and the attribute name and current value will be sent out the dump outlet. e.g. send 

to get the position attribute. see this section of the docs for more info 

https://docs.cycling74.com/max8/tutorials/jitterchapter00b_whatareattributes

sorry for missing this. to query jitter attributes simply send the message getattributename to the object and  the attribute name and current value will be sent out the dump outlet. e.g. send getposition  to get the position attribute. see this section of the docs for more info https://docs.cycling74.com/max8/tutorials/jitterchapter00b_whatareattributes 