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jazzisfaction

I created a bass drum generator within Max and to have a better sound I added a VST (Equalizer - PSP Neon) within the patcher.

But if I want to use the VST together with my bass drum generator I get a big latency of nearly one 16th on my bass-drum beats (so they are not together any more with the snare, hi-hat,....).

Does anybody know how to get rid of this latency?

Hey there,
I created a bass drum generator within Max and to have a better sound I added a VST (Equalizer - PSP Neon) within the patcher.
But if I want to use the VST together with my bass drum generator I get a big latency of nearly one 16th on my bass-drum beats (so they are not together any more with the snare, hi-hat,....).
Does anybody know how to get rid of this latency?

latency-with-vst

Hmmmm...I'm really sorry to be here again...just wanted to ask if it was a stupid or a difficult question, cause a lot of people read it but nobody answered....but i guess that there are not really a lot of possibilities except changing the vector or signal size which also doesn't help.....

thanx anyway....if you know anything else please let me know...

yes, it can be only two things: the IO vectorsize set for 

not sure about the PSP but some FIR based EQs do have

quite some latency, and in a realtime situation like in

maxmsp there is of course no latency compensation.

yes, it can be only two things: the IO vectorsize set for 
your hardware - or the plug-ins itself.

not sure about the PSP but some FIR based EQs do have
quite some latency, and in a realtime situation like in
maxmsp there is of course no latency compensation.

Well you could try delaying the rest of the audio until it locks in with the kick signal. If your patch doesn't rely on its processing keeping up with live input then I wouldn't think some overall latency would be too much of a problem.

Although, the neon does seem like a very high quality eq to be using for that application (I think it has pretty high latency compared to other plugs - it's frequency convolution based AND linear phase.......but then thats why it sounds how it does). Have you tried using it in IIR mode - toggle off the LP button?

If you don't need all 8 bands you could try a simpler vst, or if you're on OSX and a Logic user, try out the au~ object with some of it's single-band eqs.

Have you tried experimenting with the built in msp~ filters? I expect you could get very similar results with much less latency.

http://www.michaelnorris.info/software.html

Well you could try delaying the rest of the audio until it locks in with the kick signal.  If your patch doesn't rely on its processing keeping up with live input then I wouldn't think some overall latency would be too much of a problem.

Although, the neon does seem like a very high quality eq to be using for that application (I think it has pretty high latency compared to other plugs - it's frequency convolution based AND linear phase.......but then thats why it sounds how it does).  Have you tried using it in IIR mode - toggle off the LP button?  

If you don't need all 8 bands you could try a simpler vst, or if you're on OSX and a Logic user, try out the au~ object with some of it's single-band eqs. 

Have you tried experimenting with the built in msp~ filters?  I expect you could get very similar results with much less latency.

http://www.michaelnorris.info/software.html


of course it's the best way to build my filters or EQs myself with Max but I don't have so much time at the moment, that's why I wanted to use a VST...I tried some other VSTs but for the sound I want, I really needed the NEON....anyway....i will have to make some time and build it myself - that's always the best solution

Within the first day of your question you would have learned the msp filters. Simply look at the cascade~ help file, or the filtergraph~ help file, its all there...

For me it always was the opposite, before I'd use an existing VST in a workstation, I'd build a pluggo (Max 4 only malheureusement) and use that, it always was faster and better than searching for something existing...

Latency With VST