Max 8 coming in the second quarter of 2018

One question on the built in Max in Ableton Live. Does that mean when I use Max as separate application and Max For Live, I have to install Max AND a probably much larger Ableton Live? In times where hard drive capacities due to SSD technology are shrinking again that'll be a real bummer...

@JAN

With Live 10, a version of Max to be used as the Max For Live editor will be bundled into the Live app, so you will not need to install anything else to just get started with Max For Live. However, Max will still be developed and released separately from Live, so Max users who also use Live will likely want a separate Max install.

We will be sharing more details about the Max 8 upgrade in the coming months.

thanks ben
Will runtime versions be possible ?
As a programmer , I do not care for Ableton @ all.

thanks

phiol

@PHIOL Not sure that this is what you mean, but we have no plans to get rid of the ability to build Max standalones.

yup that is what I mean't :-) Great news !!!

Maybe a premature question, but was just having a reccie about potential upgrade prices for Max7→Max8

On the shop page, it states:

• Full Version
  $399
  Own Max 7 forever, no restrictions, and you will get Max 8 for free.

• Own a previous version of Max?
  UPGRADE FOR $149

Is that a 'Max 8 for free' retroactive to current Max 7 owners or just new buyers? Or is there likely to be a cut-off date or version limit for the upgrade policy?

Thanks!

@BEN

Thank you for the explanation. It's great, that Max is so boldly expanding.

But I have a question about this new model of the Max-inside-Live integration: as MaxMSP user and Live user I'll be keeping two copies of Max on my computer ([1] bundled into the Live and [2] "standalone"), am I right? If yes, how would the package (and third party externals) management look like?

I had a feeling that was coming! Is someone able to tell me how much the basic UI (as in patcher window, appearance of objects etc.) has changed/is likely to change this time around? The reason I ask is that I make a lot of educational screencasts using Max. The rather drastic changes to the UI in Max 5, 6 and 7 had meant pretty much redoing all of them, since the very different 'look' in each version would really throw students otherwise.

That might sound like a complaint, but it's not. Really just trying to weigh up whether to hold out on making some new materials until the new version is out.

Good news. This post is a tease though, as the link you give isn't so detailed. Looking forward to hearing what new things we can look forward to. I sincerely hope theres more help, examples and documents for the gen/ pix side of things, as years after it was released im still taking baby steps.