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Electrasound

I'm a fairly new user in electronic music. I've only started using Max the beginning of this year. I sometimes do have trouble with using Max because there are so many objects to use in it and I don't know how to create my own sounds. I took some classes that had Max/MSP in The Netherlands and it seemed to get really complex. Does anyone know where I can find good tutorials on Max/MSP other than what comes with the program. I need to practice more with it and improve as a sound designer because I have little experience and much of it sometimes gets too complex for me. Does anyone know what I should do? Or know of any tutorials that they'd recommend. Many thanks.

I'm a fairly new user in electronic music.  I've only started using Max the beginning of this year.  I sometimes do have trouble with using Max because there are so many objects to use in it and I don't know how to create my own sounds.  I took some classes that had Max/MSP in The Netherlands and it seemed to get really complex.  Does anyone know where I can find good tutorials on Max/MSP other than what comes with the program.  I need to practice more with it and improve as a sound designer because I have little experience and much of it sometimes gets too complex for me.  Does anyone know what I should do?  Or know of any tutorials that they'd recommend.  Many thanks.

                              Best,
                               John


maxmsp-for-beginners

> I'm a fairly new user in electronic music.

> Does anyone know where I can find good tutorials on

> Max/MSP other than what comes with the program.

Frankly, the tutorials that come with the software are the best to learn the

program. There are too many. You need to do slowly but to understand well.

You need to open the patches, read the pdfs, modify the patches. Do that for

one tutorial. Then stop. Again the next day. Do just one tutorial at a time.

And feel free to make a MSP tutorial or a Jitter one before you are done

with all the Max ones. Rather take one that seems to be fun/what you are

Another very useful thing would be to meet with someone who could help you

>
> I'm a fairly new user in electronic music.
> Does anyone know where I can find good tutorials on
> Max/MSP other than what comes with the program.

Frankly, the tutorials that come with the software are the best to learn the
program. There are too many. You need to do slowly but to understand well.
You need to open the patches, read the pdfs, modify the patches. Do that for
one tutorial. Then stop. Again the next day. Do just one tutorial at a time.
And feel free to make a MSP tutorial or a Jitter one before you are done
with all the Max ones. Rather take one that seems to be fun/what you are
curious in.

Another very useful thing would be to meet with someone who could help you
in the discovery of Max.

well, hate to say it, but I would just go through the tutorials anyways, at least the Max and MSP ones(if necessary, you might just go through the MSP tutorials first to really get into the sound-design portion, and besides, sometimes hearing great sounds and effects is more exciting than event-processing, etc.; eventually, though, you will have to go through all the tutorials to get to where you can be proficient enough with it as a whole and as a kind of language or programming environment). Afterwards, pick an MSP tutorial that has what you like in it(in terms of sound-effects) and click on every object within it for the help-files and study those help-files as well as the reference pages to which they link. Following that, look within the app folder here:

Take a look at many example patches there, find one that has effects or techniques you love the most and do the same with just that patch(pull up the objects' help-files which you don't understand). Because Max/MSP is so extendable, it would be difficult to create beginner tutorials without short-changing the expansive and diverse crowd of users who want it to do exactly what they want all over the world. So you just need to specify to yourself what you want and try and find it. Another way to do that is to detail some effect or technique you'd like to achieve and ask people here on the forums how you'd go about it. Although many people here might sit further back on the proverbial stick up their ass, there'll still be people like me who will sympathize and do our best to help.

...looks like i posted this around the same time as jeanfrancois-charles, if i had seen his post, first, i would've written, "people like me and jeanfrancois-charles who will sympathize and do our best to help" ;)

> ...looks like i posted this around the same time as jeanfrancois-charles, if i

> had seen his post, first, i would've written, "people like me and

> jeanfrancois-charles who will sympathize and do our best to help" ;)

> ...looks like i posted this around the same time as jeanfrancois-charles, if i
> had seen his post, first, i would've written, "people like me and
> jeanfrancois-charles who will sympathize and do our best to help" ;)

> I need to practice more with it and improve as a sound designer

> because I have little experience and much of it sometimes gets too

If you are interested in sound design, there are two things to learn. 

The first and more important is the basics of sound design, which has 

nothing to do with Max/MSP in the first place. If you understand these 

basics, you can go on and implement them in Max.

Two recommended readings: Curtis Roads, Computer Music Tutorial

and Miller Puckettes new book The Theory and Technique of Electronic 

http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques.htm),

free and comes with examples of Pd patches. These are actually ideal to 

transfer to Max. Pd and Max share the same history...

Good practise is also to get hands on analog gear, learn to connect and 

tweak filters, reverbs and alike... In the end its like learning any 

instrument. Its not about doing something, its about learning to listen!

Also just listen to sounds and music, try to hear how they are composed, 

how they came into being. This might teach you more than you might 

imagine. First is the ear, then the technology...

John schrieb:
> I need to practice more with it and improve as a sound designer
> because I have little experience and much of it sometimes gets too
> complex for me.

If you are interested in sound design, there are two things to learn. 
The first and more important is the basics of sound design, which has 
nothing to do with Max/MSP in the first place. If you understand these 
basics, you can go on and implement them in Max.

Two recommended readings: Curtis Roads, Computer Music Tutorial
and Miller Puckettes new book The Theory and Technique of Electronic 
Music (http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques.htm), which is online for 
free and comes with examples of Pd patches. These are actually ideal to 
transfer to Max. Pd and Max share the same history...

Good practise is also to get hands on analog gear, learn to connect and 
tweak filters, reverbs and alike... In the end its like learning any 
instrument. Its not about doing something, its about learning to listen!

Also just listen to sounds and music, try to hear how they are composed, 
how they came into being. This might teach you more than you might 
imagine. First is the ear, then the technology...

-- 
Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
--_____-----------|--------------
--(_|_ ----|-----|-----()-------
-- _|_)----|-----()--------------
----------()--------www.ccmix.com


...and I just noticed Stefan is from CCMIX! I heard Joel Chadabe AND Curtis Roads lecture in a summer course I took there which reminds me, you can get a bunch of books from Joel Chadabe's EMF site:

Search for Curtis Roads to see his publications. You can also try "Computer Music" by Charles Dodge(a shorter more concise book but still a very good book to read about the subject).

To find books faster, you'll probably want to search the authors name(i.e. "Curtis Roads" or "Charles Dodge").

...and I just noticed Stefan is from CCMIX! I heard Joel Chadabe AND Curtis Roads lecture in a summer course I took there which reminds me, you can get a bunch of books from Joel Chadabe's EMF site:
http://www.cdemusic.org/

Max/MSP for beginners