New Macbook Pro's, Worth It

lewis lepton's icon

Hello all,

Just a little post to say about the new Macbook Pro's.

As i trotted out of the cinema at 12:30p.m. after watching the new Bond film (which i did enjoy, it got bad reviews, but did keep to a good formula without plotting off too much), i decided to see if the Apple store, or at least a store that sells mostly macs, had the new Macbook and Macbook Pro in.

Luckily they had. This is Dubai i am talking about. For the time since they came out i have been asking people to check for me how they are, in the UK. I am still in Dubai, but for just only over a month :)

Anyhow, they had them in. I was really happy, because now i can see for myself what these little beasts are like.

I do have to say that these little machines do pretty much have some big balls for there size. Donkey sized ones.
I did not have any max patches to try on it. But did have a good play around with the new trackpad, which feel odd at first, but got used to it after a few minutes. I dop still feel i will end up using my Wacom or even my mouse with it as well, just so then i am not always using the trackpad.
The keys felt great, as being an owner of one of the new iMac's that comes with the lovely keyboard, this felt right at home. Smooth to type but tough in build.

The chassis was something i was really happy about. Sleek, unibody casing, that does feel much more sturdier than the regular Laptops. Really tough, and does feel like you could use it was a bullet proof vst if need be ;)

But the one main thing i was concerned about, much like many a person who has waited for these to come out, was. The glossy screen.
Myself being a iMac user have felt, but only on a minor scale a little bit annoyed by the glossy screen. Mainly if a certain light turns on and it just shines in your view. But it can be overcome very easily.
But the view of the new Macbook Pro was not something i did feel bad about. It is not as bad as people think. I think most people were just thinking that everything will bounce off of it, light wise. But on the contrary, was nothing like what i was expecting. Which is great, because now it gives me a bigger reason to now get one. Which i will.

Unluckily i did not have any patches to try out on it. But did feel confident about the power and even more so the graphics card, which did make a big step up from the previous models. I had a little bash on Garageband and the new finger gestures that it has on, and was most happy with these adjustments they had done.

Another thing i did feel bad, but was then overcome, was the removal of the Firewire 400 port. Yes, i did feel a little bit cheesed off. But then thought, 'Hang on, if i have just spent up to $2000 on a new computer, surely i could afford to buy the Firewire 400 to 800 cables for $20'
Yes, true there is not another port for firewire, but then again you can always get a multi adapter, which will not cost too much

So that is my little talk on the new Macbook's and Macbook Pro's

That was about it really...

Puck86's icon

I have a new macbook pro and using this one patch max just keeps quitting unexpectedly....whats that about?!

lewis lepton's icon

i could not tell you what the problem ius. Because, i dont have a new Macbook Pro.
So it just quits straight away then?

Sorry i cant help...

Puck86's icon

No, I work with it for a while and then when I do more stuff, data input (from a game pad) at some point max just quits, I can never predict when but it always does. I dont know if it is a compatability issue between the new OS and max 5 but it works on older macs...

Andrew Pask's icon

It'll be something in the patch. Try and isolate it a bit, get a crash log, run it into support if you get really stuck.

-A

Mike S's icon

lol donkey balls

I thought they weren't much of an upgrade from the old one's spec wise?

lewis lepton's icon

The upgrade may not seem that much of an overhaul, but with the graphic being much better, plus processor being a little notch up as well. Feel it is a good upgrade. Better, if like me, you don't have a Macbook Pro yet
Also the MBP &MB don't heat up as much as the previous models, which is great. Previous models were great, but came under scrutiny because of the heat pouring out of them.

I am starting out on Jitter (for the past 3 months hahaha) and feel this new graphics card will be a great addition, plus it would be bad ass with my setup, hahaha...

Puck86's icon

Hey chaps, yeah sorted it. It was a silly mistake of mine. Hadn't upgraded to max 5.0.5, was still on 5.0.3 and clearly my macbook doesnt like that version.

As for my experience of the new macbook pro 15"... incredible.
It so great at everything, but then again I'm coming from years of windows laptops just slowing and dying on me. Think I'm gonna walk the line on this one, no limewire and no dodgy downloads.

Something interests me though, how is macs are not susceptible to viruses?

lewis lepton's icon

from one thing that i have been told before many times.

the reason why macs dont get viruses, is that the coding for Mac is not leaked out. So then it pretty much makes it impossible to infect a Mac that has no code to share.

Windows machines, especially the software are pretty much made by anybody that can build a machine or write code. So it is shared about to many many many people...

Gregory Taylor's icon

Having the glossy screen [which will double as a mirror in the presence of illumination sources such as windows] looks to be a possible downer to me, but my wonder at whether this would make me crazy over a long period of time should be taken with a grain of salt.

Gregory Taylor's icon

Having the glossy screen [which will double as a mirror in the presence of illumination sources such as windows] looks to be a possible downer to me, but my wonder at whether this would make me crazy over a long period of time should be taken with a grain of salt.

lewis lepton's icon

The screen is not as bad as people think really.

Yes it is a bit 'shiny'. but from having a good go of it in a Mac store (which are really white lighted) felt it was fine.
But i do think it would be a little troublesome if playing live. But then again it may be fine and we may all be judging a bit too quickly on the screen.

What do you think of the screen Puck86. Is it good or does it cause some minor discomfort?

sfogar's icon

Hi,

I think the point is: we have NO ALTERNATIVES.

So ...

For example I liked to buy a MacBook this time, not a MacBook Pro but
the MacBook lacks the firewire ...

Sigh...

All the best

2008/11/25 Lewis G. Edwards :
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> The screen is not as bad as people think really.
>
> Yes it is a bit 'shiny'. but from having a good go of it in a Mac store (which are really white lighted) felt it was fine.
> But i do think it would be a little troublesome if playing live. But then again it may be fine and we may all be judging a bit too quickly on the screen.
>
> What do you think of the screen Puck86. Is it good or does it cause some minor discomfort?
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Kasper's icon

>The screen is not as bad as people think really.
>
>Yes it is a bit 'shiny'. but from having a good go of it in a Mac
>store (which are really white lighted) felt it was fine.
>But i do think it would be a little troublesome if playing live. But
>then again it may be fine and we may all be judging a bit too
>quickly on the screen.

i have a glossy screen on my 17" macbook pro

I was a little worried at first, when _looking_ at it - but when
_using_ it, i had no problems ; i have already done quite a lot of
live gigs with it (in different places = with different light
conditions) and it never went into the way, never was a problem, i
never noticed it

I belive it's a problem only if you worry about it - not in "real" life

best

kasper

nick rothwell | project cassiel's icon

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 06:07:06AM -0700, Gregory Taylor wrote:
> Having the glossy screen [which will double as a mirror in the presence of illumination sources such as windows] looks to be a possible downer to me, but my wonder at whether this would make me crazy over a long period of time should be taken with a grain of salt.

I used a glossy MacBook for a week when I fried an I/O board on my
MacBook Pro, and to be honest, the glossiness didn't bother me too
much. But I would get rather paranoid about constantly polishing the
screen to remove finger marks etc., and I would start thinking about
angle and position.

No, the *real* downer for me regarding the new machines is
DisplayPort. This is crippled with HDMI protection, so if you want to
(for example) buy or rent videos from iTunes and watch them on your
big expensive non-HDMI screen, you're stuffed.

Movie industry: 1, consumer: nil.

    -- N.

nick rothwell | project cassiel's icon

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 04:51:40PM +0400, Lewis G. Edwards wrote:
> from one thing that i have been told before many times.
>
> the reason why macs dont get viruses, is that the coding for Mac is not leaked out. So then it pretty much makes it impossible to infect a Mac that has no code to share.

I don't know how many times you've been told this, but the "security
by obscurity" hypothesis has been pretty much disproven.

The common theory about why the Mac isn't as virus-prone as the PC is
one of:

(i) the Mac has a tiny market share and hackers haven't been
targetting it as heavily as Windows

(ii) OS X is built on top of an established secure multi-user kernel
and components, whereas Windows has evolved from an insecure
single-user environment, has to remain backwards-compatible with this,
and has security flaws introduced by Microsoft's efforts to tightly
integrate all the Windows components in an effort to lock customers
into their platform.

Believe whichever one you're most comfortable with.

lewis lepton's icon

i should of added that i didn't know whether to believe these people telling me the information or not.
Because for one, i don't know. But then again if it is working better for me with less hassle, then that is all i need, hahaha

But thanks for the explanation Nick...

f.e's icon
Reso Kiknadze's icon

did somebody encounter problems with the new Macbook Pro and RME
Fireface 400 ? There seems to be a Firewire incompatibility, supposed
to be caused by the new (cheaper) Lusent (agere) firewire chipset.
or is there any hope to fix this very dissapointing issue?
thanks and regards,
r

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Am 25.11.2008 um 16:36 schrieb Nick Rothwell:

> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 04:51:40PM +0400, Lewis G. Edwards wrote:
>> from one thing that i have been told before many times.
>>
>> the reason why macs dont get viruses, is that the coding for Mac is
>> not leaked out. So then it pretty much makes it impossible to
>> infect a Mac that has no code to share.
>
> I don't know how many times you've been told this, but the "security
> by obscurity" hypothesis has been pretty much disproven.
>
> The common theory about why the Mac isn't as virus-prone as the PC is
> one of:
>
> (i) the Mac has a tiny market share and hackers haven't been
> targetting it as heavily as Windows
>
> (ii) OS X is built on top of an established secure multi-user kernel
> and components, whereas Windows has evolved from an insecure
> single-user environment, has to remain backwards-compatible with this,
> and has security flaws introduced by Microsoft's efforts to tightly
> integrate all the Windows components in an effort to lock customers
> into their platform.
>
> Believe whichever one you're most comfortable with.

Andrew Pask's icon

FWIW, my new MBP works really well with my FF800. And it's nice to be able to use Altiverb as much as I want on a gig too.

-A

Puck86's icon

Hey, as far as the screen goes I couldn't say it has given me any visual trouble at all. The fact its back lit LED does alot to combat the the shine as its very intense. I did though suffer a bit of 'seizure' session after working into the night on it. It wasnt a seizure but I nearly passed out and it may have been some I ate but the intensity of of the led screen and the way it focuses, especially on text, can be a bit tough on tired eyes....but what laptop cant?

Not something you should consider when buying as I love my macbook pro, just something I thought it would be good to bring up as using these things is all about comfort and ease...

Reso Kiknadze's icon

hi andrew,

does it have a Texas Instruments or a Lucent /Agere firewire chipset?
thanks,
r

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Am 26.11.2008 um 15:45 schrieb Andrew Pask:

>
>
>
> FWIW, my new MBP works really well with my FF800. And it's nice to
> be able to use Altiverb as much as I want on a gig too.
>
> -A

matteopennese's icon

The chipset is by Agere, unfortunately...

My Fireface 400 Rme doesn't work and for live I'm using a Motu ultralite mkIII.

matteo

Reso Kiknadze's icon

hopefully the rme guys update their drivers or the apple guys their
firmware or somebody solves it somehow...

on thing could help meanwhile: any firewire hard disk or so, between
MacbookPro and Fireface, makes it work again; so this could be a
temporary solution....

what about PCIexpress FW cards? do THEY maybe work?

regards,
r

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Am 27.11.2008 um 03:54 schrieb matpe:

>
> The chipset is by Agere, unfortunately...
>
> My Fireface 400 Rme doesn't work and for live I'm using a Motu
> ultralite mkIII.
>
>
> matteo

matteopennese's icon

I tried an expresscard. It works but connection is very fragile. A little movement of the cable makes loose the connection and my macbook pro freezes. I don't know if it's normal but another musician with the same configuration of mine has this problem. And internet offers some sticking way to make the trick...
For my experience expresscard is useless.

matteo

mikerugnetta's icon

Quote: matpe wrote on Thu, 27 November 2008 05:11
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> For my experience expresscard is useless.
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I have had the exact opposite experience. On my new 2.8 MBPro and on my colleagues the Expresscard slot is solid as a rock.

Each interface we have tested (probably up to about 4 or 5 at this point) has worked both through the Expresscard and daisy chained to the back of a FW HD plugged into the native FW800 port, recording and playing back for upwards of 1hr.

Sounds like Apples manufacturing technique might not have all the kinks worked out yet.

-m

Adam Murray's icon

Quote: mikerugnetta wrote on Thu, 27 November 2008 09:30
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>
> Sounds like Apples manufacturing technique might not have all the kinks worked out yet.
>

Sounds like it! Here's another data point. My coworker got a new macbook recently. After one week of light usage, the hard drive crashed. He took it into the Apple store and they replaced the whole computer, and he had to set everything up from scratch again. Then a couple days later he noticed the camera and bluetooth did not work at all. Took it in again and they had to replace the whole computer again, but at least the second time they swapped the hard drives for him.

We can't help but wonder what will go wrong next...

Apple did switch to a new manufacturing process with this refresh, so purchasing right now is probably a little riskier than usual in terms of hardware defects. I'd expect the defect rate to decrease as time goes on.

Matteo: if your expresscard is not working right, then maybe you should call Apple or take the computer into the store and show them. Perhaps there is something wrong with your hardware and it should be replaced (assuming you have a new computer under warranty). Apple has its share of hardware problems, but their customer service is really good in my experience.

lewis lepton's icon

*HOLY SHIT*

This is what i said to myself after finishing checking my mail and eating an apple.

New 17" Macbook Pro's, nice. This time with 8gb of ram that you can fit in, Bonza to the max. Although quite expensive, but what could stop you from buying the more basic model and then stuffing it like a Christmas Turkey.

This was what i was waiting for, glad i waited now for the 17" model.
Also as well as another added note.
Played with a few CPU hungry Max patches i have built, playing on the new 13" Macbook. I have to say, these little machines do have some balls, not Elf balls, but Santa's balls.
The obvious pitfall is the no firewire issue, plus as well the Jitter usage. But was not as bad i thought it would be.

So now, after the pennies were saved for the 15" model, now to up-the-anty, and save some more for the 17" model.

Lovely...

jayrope's icon

*Holy doomed soul*

Is this an Apple promotion thread or what?

jrp

lewis lepton's icon

Aye, it certainly is, hahaha ;)

f.e's icon
jayrope's icon

come on, it's just a bloody machine. let's do some good music here.

jrp

lewis lepton's icon

and party like it's 1999 ;)...