noteout reverb?
This is probably a simple questions for experienced users: Can I use tap in and tap out objects with noteout somehow? I am trying to create a simple delay and reverb effect using midi noteout but since noteout doesn't have an outlet I have no idea how to do this. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
You first problem stems from some basic
confusion: the noteout object deals with
MIDI-based data (either to send it to an
external synth or a DLS synth), which the
tapin and tapout objects are delaying
*audio* signals (you can generally tell
that there is audio processing going on
by looking at the patch cords).
There are objects that will allow you to
delay messages of the sort that will
trigger MIDI messages [you might consider
looking at objects like pipe]. But I'd make
sure you're clear about the differences
between working in the asynchronous world
of things like MIDI and the synchronous
audio world in Max, or you may face
similar conundrums again.
On Jun 9, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Sofia wrote:
> This is probably a simple questions for experienced users: Can I
> use tap in and tap out objects with noteout somehow? I am trying to
> create a simple delay and reverb effect using midi noteout but since
> noteout doesn't have an outlet I have no idea how to do this.
There is no easy way to do this. Noteout is designed to send MIDI
notes to some other piece of hardware, to the internal MIDI
synthesizer, or to some other piece of hardware.
From Max's point of view, the internal synthesizer is pretty much the
same as an external hardware device. It's the operating system which
deals with the DLS synthesis, and outputting the audio, Max doesn't
know anything about it.
All that said, if you have a fancy enough "sound card" you may be able
to route the output of the DLS synth back to an input. There are also
third-party "virtual soundcards", like SoundFlower, or Jack that may
be able to help, but I've never really used them.
Chris Muir
cbm@well.com
http://www.xfade.com
Thanks to you both. This is really helpful. Seems like I have a lot of reading up to do...
>
> if you have a fancy enough "sound card" you may be able to route
> the output of the DLS synth back to an input. There are also third-
> party "virtual soundcards", like SoundFlower, or Jack that may be
> able to help, but I've never really used them.
>
For basic GM sounds, rather than rerouting audio back into Max, I
found it easier to use fluidsynth~ and process the output.
- assuming you aren't using external midi gear or a software synth,
that is.
As for the rerouting option as Chris describes above, Mitch Turner
has a good tutorial, specific to Logic but should provide some
direction: http://home.lagrange.edu/mturner/MitchWebSite/logic%20help%
20files.html
I found it useful.
Hope this helps,
dlbond
An interesting experiment would be to create an impulse based
delay line that is not heard but is analyzed and converted
into MIDI triggers. The initial MIDI note/velocity would
start the signal chain, probably using click~, you can
then add interesting feedback elements, which would then
be translated into the MIDI world.