opening patcher/patcherview without window

hi,

does anyone know if there's a way to open a patcher, without opening a patcherwindow
but with the ability to get a pointer to the patcherview belonging to that opened patcher?

i'd like to add the "native" view of the patcherview as a subview using cocoa. at the moment it works as long as i have the patcherwindow open putting it out of the visible frame what leads to problems trying to use fullscreen.