OSX Snow Leopard...

lewis lepton

hello all,

this is primarily aimed at the cycling '74 crew as this will apply to them.
i did put a post on some months ago, but only one other person answered with my same question, wondering about snow leopard and the compatibility between max 5 and snow leopard.

but with the up-coming release of snow leopard for os x, will max 5 be able to work in it?
will it be possible to get the upgrade of snow leopard without the worry that max 5 won't work until an update is installed?

this does need to looked at, as snow leopard is round the corner. and more than likely most people will get it, when it is released in september. even i am on a mailing list to tell me when it is released, and will get a cheap upgrade for it as well.

i do hope at least someone with an answer can help, because this would become a serious matter if it doesn't work...

Emmanuel Jourdan

Snow Leopard is not yet available, members of the ADC have signed some NDA, so I wouldn't count for an official answer. Unofficially, Snow Leopard could be considered as a minor upgrade (just look at the price of the upgrade), so there's not much to worry about for the compatibility of the current Max version.

cap10subtext

I personally am quite concerned myself about the plans for Jitter (2.0?) and Quicktime X which is supposed to be a very different monster from the previous qts, and considering the history of what each major update has done (I'm currently smashing my head against the table with the qt7/spigot~ work around) there's cause to be nervous. I have faith in the Cycling crew but it still gives me the cold sweats to think about what new challenges Apple may have in store.

lewis lepton

@cap
i do agree with this. even though people are saying it is just a simple update etc. what about the big updates to things like quicktime?
this would have to have some sort of bad implication to jitter in some way

i would really hate that if people do update, it wont be for another few months until a max update was available for snow leopard.

maybe i am thinking way too much into it, or maybe not enough. but the fact is, that this is still an update of operating system that could render most of your programs useless until a update for a program is created.

anyhow, enough about the future. let's make some music now ...

Roman Thilenius

the whole world still has headache from the
HI Toolbox implosion and some are already
wondering about quicktime X.

thats too early, guys!

-110

cap10subtext

Well, can't let worrying about tomorrow prevent life in the now, but I don't think I'm totally off base here.

It's not like I'm asking the crew at cycling to pat me on the back and tell me it'll all be okay, but I think it's fair to say this is a concern for some people and that any news on the matter would be appreciated. I'm looking to purchase new computers in the fall and would hate to have this be a serious issue should Snow Leopard come pre-installed.

efe

What about openCL(the top priority of this update)?, does it have any perspectives of use inside msp?

MuShoo

Bumping this thread again - now that we have a firm release date of Friday, can the devs give us some more insight on max 5 compatibility? I'd be happy with a "Yes, it runs fine, but we haven't gotten around to taking advantage of OpenCL or Grand Central in any meaningful way yet"

Personally I don't care if jitter works or not, but I'm sure a lot of people do, and that seems to be one of the more likely troublemaker candidates , due to quicktime X.

And, are there any benefits to using openCL in some way in max? I know it's possible to do some weird magic with jit.gl.slab and use the graphics card to process some things that way. What about Grand Central? AFAIK, Max runs in only 2 threads, and poly~ instances spread themselves across processors relatively well without Grand Central.

So: Does Max 5 work at all with Snow Leopard? Are there any speed improvements for Max 5 by upgrading? Does it blend?

Matthew Aidekman

music and computers... will it ever get change?

Nat

Been running Snow Leopard for a week with Max and so far I see no issues... Jitter and the Quicktime objects are working fine.
I wouldn't worry.

10ff

Thanks a lot for sharing your experience. I was worried, too. Anyway, at least Jitter should do since QT7 is still part in 10.6 to allow downward capability. There are still too many Apps dependent on that version.

cap10subtext

Came across this in the compatibility list yet the forums don't seem to be mentioning this. Any I blind or is this actually even a problem? Can anyone add or comment about this? Or am I just late to the party?

http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/

10ff

It was me who added Max 5 to the list and I based my assertion on Nat's post. Would be nice to hear a statement by cycling.

NOTE: AS FAR IS I GOT IT YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO INSTALL/LEAVE QUICKTIME 7 WITH SNOW LEOPARD. I GUESS THIS IS CRUCIAL FOR THE JITTER/QT OBJECTS IN MAX TO WORK.

Francois Weber

what about "Snow-Soundflower" ?

http://d0cut0uch.no-ip.info/index.php/audio/tutorials/26-sf

lewis lepton

aye soundflower for SL would be good. i dont use it much at all now, but it helps to have it working good just incase. i more just use re-wire and other such things.

i ordered my copy on the launch date. so by next week should have it in my hands, and really get down and dirty.

i was even wondering about ableton live and max updates. whether they would be needed, or would it plainly just be an install and play your tits off.

i am surprised that none of the cycling crew have answered any questions on this matter, as they do read and filter on the forum.

would be nice to check out the capabilities of openCL and even quicktime x. lets hope they all work fine with max 5.

i am going to mail the support on this issue. because more than likely, people, like me, have ordered the new snow leopard. i am not so much worried if things dont work for a few weeks for a new update, i dont use max enough on a professional scale (more ableton suite 8 for that). but more so that what if an update does not come for ages, you know.

aye, new updates can be a pain ...

Nat

If you need soundflower,

You can install it via Airfoil http://rogueamoeba.com/airfoil/
It works great, I suspect there is an issue with the SounfFlower installer, not soundflower by itself.

anonymous

lewis g. edwards wrote on Sun, 30 August 2009 06:35aye soundflower for SL would be good. i dont use it much at all now, but it helps to have it working good just incase. i more just use re-wire and other such things.

i ordered my copy on the launch date. so by next week should have it in my hands, and really get down and dirty.

i was even wondering about ableton live and max updates. whether they would be needed, or would it plainly just be an install and play your tits off.

i am surprised that none of the cycling crew have answered any questions on this matter, as they do read and filter on the forum.

would be nice to check out the capabilities of openCL and even quicktime x. lets hope they all work fine with max 5.

aye, new updates can be a pain ...

Abltone have released a statement on the forum here:

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=122995

Abletons main statement "5. Does Ableton recommend upgrading to Mac OS X 10.6? If your main concern is stability, we don't recommend upgrading to 10.6 until compatibility for Live and all of your third-party software and hardware products has been assured by the responsible companies."

Personally usually I jump at these upgrades but I'm going to leave this one a bit as my system with Ableton Live and Max/Msp is super stable at the moment and I have work to do

lewis lepton

aye, i am the same when it comes to updates etc. i like getting new software and the like. expand my machine, make it cleaner blah blah blah

but this, oooh, is not good at all. i too use ableton suite 8 for work, and it is stable as is it right now. although i do need to clear vst/au plugins that are duff and drag my machine [same with max externals]. now up to too many plug ins to choose from. something like 200-250 now, very silly indeed. but freeware plug in hunting can become an addiction some days

right, this has hit the nail in the coffin now. i wont update my system at all until a stable update for ableton and max has come out.
i ordered my snow leopard disk on the friday release. but when it arrives, i will just stuff it in my 'to-do-when-the-time-is-right' file

thanks for that most useful of info tom. helps.

aye, updates, we want them, but we have to be careful, dang...

Chris Rolfe

I have a patcher that's crashing under OSX 10.6 when I load a soundfile into sfplay~. It looks to be some kind of thread completion routine.

Thread 27 Crashed:
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x90b303c3 asl_close + 26
1 com.apple.SystemConfiguration     0x90c7b5e0 __SCThreadSpecificDataFinalize + 39
2 libSystem.B.dylib     0x90b01a27 _pthread_tsd_cleanup + 88
3 libSystem.B.dylib     0x90b0163a _pthread_exit + 154
4 libSystem.B.dylib     0x90af8e66 thread_start + 34

leighhunt

Hi all,

I thought I'd give snow leopard a go... I can't get Max to even startup.....

I'm guessing it is in some way related to juce on my laptop
Does anyone have any clues, or shall I just revert back to 10.5.7 for a while?

Thanks,
Leigh

X37V

Perhaps it's just me, but 'AU DLS Synth 1' doesn't seem to work as a noteout device since updating.

cap10subtext

Just to check, has everyone who is posting issues tried reinstalling Max after updating to Snow Leopard? Are other users able to confirm that these are consistent bugs?

Guillaume Evrard

hi,

what about max 4.6.x ?

does anyone tested it ? can somebody try and post a reply please ?

thanks

lewis lepton

just this second got my snow leopard disk through the post.

but, like i said, i am going to wait until an update, or confirmation has been given to give the go ahead that max 5, and also ableton live will work on snow leopard with no flaws.

ooh, i want to try the new features...

oromanow

AU DLS Synth does not work!!!
Same for me also...

Emmanuel Jourdan

The AU DLS Synth problem is a known issue and has been fixed for the next incremental. So far that's pretty much the only one identified problem.

leighhunt

cap10subtext wrote on Mon, 07 September 2009 07:51Just to check, has everyone who is posting issues tried reinstalling Max after updating to Snow Leopard? Are other users able to confirm that these are consistent bugs?

Initially my crash was without a clean install.
I just reinstalled max 5.0.7 and the problem persists, though the the crashed thread is slightly different:

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000026
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Thread 0 Crashed: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x00298a81 juce::ATSFontHelper::getPathAndKerning(wchar_t, wchar_t, juce::Path*, float&, float*, float*, unsigned long*) + 311
1 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x00298449 juce::Typeface::findAndAddSystemGlyph(wchar_t) + 241
2 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002f2eb1 juce::Typeface::getGlyph(wchar_t) + 125
3 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002ee205 juce::GlyphArrangement::addCurtailedLineOfText(juce::Font const&, juce::String const&, float, float, float, bool) + 227
4 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002ee372 juce::GlyphArrangement::addLineOfText(juce::Font const&, juce::String const&, float, float) + 62
5 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002efa8c juce::GlyphArrangement::addFittedText(juce::Font const&, juce::String const&, float, float, float, float, juce::Justification const&, int, float) + 438
6 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002e7bbe juce::Graphics::drawFittedText(juce::String const&, int, int, int, int, juce::Justification const&, int, float) const + 210
7 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x00187ef4 MaxLookAndFeel::drawTableHeaderColumn(juce::Graphics&, juce::String const&, int, int, int, bool, bool, int) + 578
8 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x0036223f juce::TableHeaderComponent::paint(juce::Graphics&) + 411
9 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002bf1bc juce::Component::paintEntireComponent(juce::Graphics&) + 684
10 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002bf355 juce::Component::paintEntireComponent(juce::Graphics&) + 1093
11 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002bf355 juce::Component::paintEntireComponent(juce::Graphics&) + 1093
12 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002bf355 juce::Component::paintEntireComponent(juce::Graphics&) + 1093
13 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002bf355 juce::Component::paintEntireComponent(juce::Graphics&) + 1093
14 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x001a42a2 PatcherLayerComponent::paintEntireComponent(juce::Graphics&) + 80
15 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002bf355 juce::Component::paintEntireComponent(juce::Graphics&) + 1093
16 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002bf355 juce::Component::paintEntireComponent(juce::Graphics&) + 1093
17 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002bf355 juce::Component::paintEntireComponent(juce::Graphics&) + 1093
18 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002bf355 juce::Component::paintEntireComponent(juce::Graphics&) + 1093
19 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002bf355 juce::Component::paintEntireComponent(juce::Graphics&) + 1093
20 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002bf355 juce::Component::paintEntireComponent(juce::Graphics&) + 1093
21 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002bf355 juce::Component::paintEntireComponent(juce::Graphics&) + 1093
22 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x003570bc juce::ComponentPeer::handlePaint(juce::LowLevelGraphicsContext&) + 48
23 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002a1ed8 juce::HIViewComponentPeer::RepaintManager::paint(CGContext*, int, int, int, int) + 862
24 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002a23dd juce::HIViewComponentPeer::hiViewDraw(OpaqueEventRef*) + 619
25 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002a25d1 juce::HIViewComponentPeer::hiViewEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 425
26 com.apple.HIToolbox     0x940c4129 DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 1567
27 com.apple.HIToolbox     0x940c33f0 SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 411
28 com.apple.HIToolbox     0x940c324f SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 58
29 com.apple.HIToolbox     0x940eb15d HIView::SendDraw(short, OpaqueGrafPtr*, __HIShape const*, CGContext*) + 475
30 com.apple.HIToolbox     0x940eaab1 HIView::RecursiveDrawComposited(__HIShape const*, unsigned long, HIView*, CGContext*, unsigned char, float) + 713
31 com.apple.HIToolbox     0x940ead24 HIView::RecursiveDrawComposited(__HIShape const*, unsigned long, HIView*, CGContext*, unsigned char, float) + 1340
32 com.apple.HIToolbox     0x940ead24 HIView::RecursiveDrawComposited(__HIShape const*, unsigned long, HIView*, CGContext*, unsigned char, float) + 1340
33 com.apple.HIToolbox     0x940e9ad7 HIView::DrawComposited(short, OpaqueGrafPtr*, __HIShape const*, unsigned long, HIView*, CGContext*) + 873
34 com.apple.HIToolbox     0x940e971d HIView::Draw(short, OpaqueGrafPtr*, unsigned long) + 83
35 com.apple.HIToolbox     0x940e966d HIView::Render(unsigned long, CGContext*) + 45
36 com.apple.HIToolbox     0x940e8faf WindowData::PrepareForVisibility() + 145
37 com.apple.HIToolbox     0x940e8589 _ShowHideWindows + 286
38 com.apple.HIToolbox     0x9414b07d ShowWindow + 79
39 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002a0109 juce::HIViewComponentPeer::setVisible(bool) + 77
40 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002be49d juce::Component::setVisible(bool) + 297
41 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x00181448 MaxTopLevelWindow::makeVisible() + 152
42 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x000ad05b object_method + 901
43 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x001ac86c patcherview_dovisible(_patcherview*, long) + 70
44 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x001ac9fd patcherview_makefrontmost(_patcherview*) + 25
45 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x001ad59e patcherview_patchernotify(_patcherview*, symbol*, short, atom*) + 270
46 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x000aa396 object_method_typedfun + 134
47 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x000aa44f object_method_typed + 127
48 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x0015fd5d jpatcher_call_object_method_typed(object*, _method_typed_data*) + 47
49 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x0005501e linklist_funall + 68
50 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x00160bf5 jpatcher_dopatchernotify + 63
51 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x0002d2f9 defer + 97
52 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x0015ff29 jpatcher_patchernotify + 83
53 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x0016002e jpatcher_vis_imp + 168
54 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x0016006f jpatcher_vis + 25
55 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x000ad05b object_method + 901
56 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x0014aac5 jmaxwindow_show + 149
57 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x0000fd13 max_startup + 331
58 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x001c9889 MaxApplication::initialise(juce::String const&) + 23
59 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002a30b3 juce::JUCEApplication::main(juce::String&, juce::JUCEApplication*) + 533
60 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x002a31d5 juce::JUCEApplication::main(int, char**, juce::JUCEApplication*) + 125
61 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x001c994a main + 76
62 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x00002592 _start + 216
63 com.cycling74.MaxMSP     0x000024b9 start + 41

Regards
Leigh

Chris Rolfe

Just to recant...

I'm not able to reproduce the crash cited above. sfplay~ appears to work normally, now.

regards,
Chris

efe

I have been running 10.6 for one week now and Max seems to work without any problem. The only issue that i am experiencing is that sometimes, when i want to load the program, the application wouldn't launch. Even if i try several times, i need to restart the system. I am not quite sure why this behavior is happening.
A second situation that I found is that some externals(in particular pitch~) would't load either. I needed to use the program maintenance to restore my permission. I don't understand why this is happening. Maybe it is just my computer...
Emmanuel

Jakob Riis

Anybody having experience with 4.6 in Snow Leopard? I am really dependant on 4.6 to work flawless!

jsph

Uninstalled max 5 completely. Reinstalled with no problems. Haven't had any issues yet.

Werner Funk

quote:
what about max 4.6.x ?

just a quick test with Extras>Audiotester:
works.

quote:
Perhaps it's just me, but 'AU DLS Synth 1' doesn't seem to work as a noteout device since updating.

works also fine.

Max 4.6.3
Os 10.6.1

Emmanuel Jourdan

Max 5.0.8 fixes the AU DLS Synth issue under Snow Leopard.

finky

I detected really weird bug...

Conditions:

1. OS X Snow leopard 10.6.1, MacBook Pro 3.1, Core2duo 2.4, GeForce 8600M GT 256mb.
2. Max5 build 40079
3. Patch with jit.gl.render and jit.gl.slab, I used for test patch from "Jitter Movie Optimization Methods", http://abstrakt.vade.info/?p=147, exactly "5 - GPU UYVY" in folder "Multichannel Playback". My modification is only "fullscreen 1" message for jit.window.
4. No movies loaded, only thing I did - turned on "metro".
4. When patcher window is nearby left window border, it's OK, fps is about 33, when moving it about 40 pixels to right, fps is dropping down to 1-5.

There is screenshots with details in attachment.

finky

Another funny thing, is a fact, that render FPS is limited to 33.3333, and it's not depending on metro speed or CPU usage.

finky

Up. And reaction?

Thomas Sandberg

I have the same problem when using a second display.
If I sent a fullscreen message to jit.window my framerate drops from 30 to 2 !
My screen size on the Macbook Pro is 1440 x 900 and I found out that I could make a workaround by sending pos 1441 0 and size 1680 1050 to jit.window without any drop in framerate.
But it would be nice if the fullscreen message worked normally again. Maybe its the snow covered leopard freezing ?

finky

Hey, somebody working on this problem or I must downgrade to 10.5 ?

Jan Klug

max 5 crashes for me on startup; even after fresh installation. 5.0.8 & 5.1b..
4.6 seems to work though
also the runtimes don't crash.

jan

10.6.2