Just out of curiosity:
are there any women on this list? It seems like a men's club to me, am
i wrong? Is Max like math or other sciences that are dominated by
Any ideas? Or can you proof me wrong?
I know plenty of women who use Max/MSP/Jitter; I would say actually in
the environment I work in (art school setting) it's basically half and half.
I don't know about population of women on the list though. I do know
that in general there are many mailing lists of a technical nature which
tend to be dominated by males. I don't claim to know why this is or
have a very good theory about it.
another woman here.. although maxless atm - I tried the student
version on windows then bought a mac so waiting for the version that
works on macbook pro before buying the full price version again. it's
a nice program though - the visual aspect of connecting wires makes it
easier for me to see how the programming is working than hand coding.
I find it easier to understand than writing in c or similar.
Very roughly half of the students in my Max and Max/MSP courses &
workshops over the years have been women. The actual ration might be
closer to 40:60, but no bets on which way the skew lies until I've
gone through the lists of participants.
I haven been around the Vancouver max scene and I have always treated
with respect. Never felt I got different (positive or negative)
But I also have experienced different.....!
I taught for a year and half at a university in Toronto, new media
production, there were lots of woman in the class and I could notice
no difference in their ability to program compared to men. Although
sometimes a could notice a difference in their relationship to
technology. More men were enchanted by the technology, less critical.
This has to do with how computer technology is marketed and presented
as a mean to gain power. Interesting is that when it comes to
programming this becomes less of an issue.
These are some fast and scattered thoughts on the subject. Please don't
quote me on this.
I've been teaching music tech for 35 years with lots of women students -
less than men but never enough. A few years ago, my former colleague
Christine Burns asked me to write a brief summary of my experience but can't
find it now. In summary, my generalization for first year students is this:
Women often struggle with technology in the beginning but they succeed
musically from the outset because they start with a strong artistic idea and
tend to learn just the technology they need for the task at hand.
The men love the technology. They usually know all the terminology, specs
and version numbers. They make elaborate contraptions they are often
At the end of fours years nearly all of the women and most of the men reach
parity. Technology and art come into balance.
Check out the TIMARA web page for profiles of Oberlin women who have made
substantial careers in music tech. And also see