OT are there maxing women out there?

    Jun 03 2006 | 6:19 pm
    Just out of curiosity: are there any women on this list? It seems like a men's club to me, am i wrong? Is Max like math or other sciences that are dominated by males? Any ideas? Or can you proof me wrong?
    Titus Bellwald

    • Jun 03 2006 | 7:18 pm
      I know a handful that do. Even more than primarily use jitter. Don't know if they use the list very often though.
    • Jun 03 2006 | 7:23 pm
      I have flabby man boobs, if that counts.
    • Jun 03 2006 | 8:50 pm
      Hi Titus,
      I know plenty of women who use Max/MSP/Jitter; I would say actually in the environment I work in (art school setting) it's basically half and half.
      I don't know about population of women on the list though. I do know that in general there are many mailing lists of a technical nature which tend to be dominated by males. I don't claim to know why this is or have a very good theory about it.
    • Jun 03 2006 | 9:01 pm
      Hello Titus,
      nono, at least me, myself and I are on the list, and we are all female.
      You are right, about 99.99 percent of the mailinglist members are male, unless I misunderstand or misinterpret some Asian and African first names.
      All the best,
    • Jun 04 2006 | 7:22 am
      Quote: binez0r wrote on Sat, 03 June 2006 13:23 ---------------------------------------------------- > I have flabby man boobs, if that counts. ----------------------------------------------------
    • Jun 04 2006 | 8:22 am
      another woman here.. although maxless atm - I tried the student version on windows then bought a mac so waiting for the version that works on macbook pro before buying the full price version again. it's a nice program though - the visual aspect of connecting wires makes it easier for me to see how the programming is working than hand coding. I find it easier to understand than writing in c or similar.
    • Jun 04 2006 | 10:23 am
      There are plenty of women maxing... Men talk shop too much.
    • Jun 04 2006 | 12:07 pm
      Cheers, Gary Lee Nelson TIMARA Department Oberlin College www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson
    • Jun 04 2006 | 3:35 pm
      I'm not a women, but I teach MAX/MSP/JItter at Montreal's StudioXX wich is a media artist center for women only.
    • Jun 04 2006 | 7:00 pm
      hello titus bellwald!
      as you can see, they are mutch smarter than us, so they do not need help from men!
      they can discover the solutions to the most complicated prorblem only by the logic!
      they are wonderful
      ... some times, comenting my patch with my grilfrind, she tell me the best solution... and she don't understand MAX in any way!!!!
      wonderful... they are wonderful
    • Jun 04 2006 | 7:14 pm
      hey guys, there's a lot of us here & around main difference is we probably always read the f* manuals first... so we don't really need to pose that many questions, you know... ;)
      cheers! e.
    • Jun 04 2006 | 9:50 pm
      Just adding to the noise...
      Very roughly half of the students in my Max and Max/MSP courses & workshops over the years have been women. The actual ration might be closer to 40:60, but no bets on which way the skew lies until I've gone through the lists of participants.
      -- P.
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    • Jun 05 2006 | 1:21 am
    • Jun 05 2006 | 3:40 am
      that sounds interesting, do you still need teachers ? :P
    • Jun 05 2006 | 3:27 pm
      I am a woman and a (she)maxer and I use the list.
      I haven been around the Vancouver max scene and I have always treated with respect. Never felt I got different (positive or negative) treatment.
      But I also have experienced different.....!
      I taught for a year and half at a university in Toronto, new media production, there were lots of woman in the class and I could notice no difference in their ability to program compared to men. Although sometimes a could notice a difference in their relationship to technology. More men were enchanted by the technology, less critical. This has to do with how computer technology is marketed and presented as a mean to gain power. Interesting is that when it comes to programming this becomes less of an issue.
      These are some fast and scattered thoughts on the subject. Please don't quote me on this.
      chaio, Jacky
    • Jun 05 2006 | 4:36 pm
      I've been teaching music tech for 35 years with lots of women students - less than men but never enough. A few years ago, my former colleague Christine Burns asked me to write a brief summary of my experience but can't find it now. In summary, my generalization for first year students is this:
      Women often struggle with technology in the beginning but they succeed musically from the outset because they start with a strong artistic idea and tend to learn just the technology they need for the task at hand.
      The men love the technology. They usually know all the terminology, specs and version numbers. They make elaborate contraptions they are often artistically empty.
      At the end of fours years nearly all of the women and most of the men reach parity. Technology and art come into balance.
      Check out the TIMARA web page for profiles of Oberlin women who have made substantial careers in music tech. And also see
      Cheers, Gary Lee Nelson TIMARA Department Oberlin College www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson