overdubbing looper

Adding to a buffer is possible, but your more likely to want to
bounce back and fourth between 2 buffers. This is digital, no
generation loss ;-)

As for buffer lengths, you must understand that a buffer is an
allotment of memory for your program.
looping is done by setting up two points to loop INSIDE that buffer.

see help for wave~ groove~ and play~

Cycling's documentation is the best on the planet, its not like
normal documentation where you don't bother reading it.

-matt

I banged my head against the buffer~/groove~ wall for ages before finally abandoning it. A more successful approach for me has been using tapin~/tapout~. I use two pairs so that you can 'undo' as a hardware looping pedal would.

The strategies for overdubbing loops which I have used in the past offer three distinct possibilities:

1. tapin-tapout: the simplest; if you route the outlet from tapout back into the inlet of tapin, you have a basic loop. By putting a volume fader between outlet and inlet, you can use it as a delay. The commands "clear" and "freeze", or the interruption of the feedback-loop into tapin are the three pertinent commands. Drawback: the loop is cumulative, meaning that you cannot separate the layers which you have added to the loop. By changing the tapout times, you can vary the length of the loop, also while it is looping, but this can lead to a (not at all unpleasant) stuttering effect.

2. multiple buffers: I could just as well say "multiple tapins" (a tapin is basically a memory buffer which continually rereads and rewrites itself). Buffers need more components in order to function, but can be used for pitchbending. Also, you can layer the loops, fading various layers in and out. For me, one of the advantages of using buffers for looping is that I can save the individual loops and/or layers as wave-files.

3. stutter: the stutter object can be used either alone or in a layered setup. It is organized as if it were a tapin-tapout object which sends its contents to a buffer on command, allowing pitchbending. A bit tricky at first, but worth the work to discover its possibilities.

Hope this helps.

>The strategies for overdubbing loops which I have used in the past
>offer three distinct possibilities:
>

no-one ever talks about the fripp~ object - i belive it never was
100% finished but what existed was already quite great!! and since
the author was prowinding the C code (and telling he would happily
let anyone work on it) that seems a great possibility - for those of
you who know how to code, that is

best

kasper

where is this mysterious fripp~ object?
i can't find any mention of it anywhere.

On Oct 1, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

>> The strategies for overdubbing loops which I have used in the past
>> offer three distinct possibilities:
>>
>
>
> no-one ever talks about the fripp~ object - i belive it never was
> 100% finished but what existed was already quite great!! and since
> the author was prowinding the C code (and telling he would happily
> let anyone work on it) that seems a great possibility - for those
> of you who know how to code, that is
>
>
> best
>
> kasper

ipoke~ is wonderful, thank you!

for those looking for fripp~ it seems to be here:
http://www.angelfire.com/dc/swirlee/loop.html

best,
erik

On 9/29/06, Pierre Alexandre Tremblay wrote:
> You should have also a look on my ipoke~ object, to be able to
> emulate Boss DD-3. Soon to be available as UB.
>
> www.no-tv.org/MaxMSP/
>
> pa

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I made fripp~ available for win, if someone look for.

f.e

erik schoster wrote:
> ipoke~ is wonderful, thank you!
>
> for those looking for fripp~ it seems to be here:
> http://www.angelfire.com/dc/swirlee/loop.html
>
> best,
> erik
>
> On 9/29/06, Pierre Alexandre Tremblay wrote:
>> You should have also a look on my ipoke~ object, to be able to
>> emulate Boss DD-3. Soon to be available as UB.
>>
>> www.no-tv.org/MaxMSP/
>>
>> pa
>

hey I am a noob, I know, i just got max a couple days ago, but how does one get fripp~ to work. I have frippmc.help open but all I can do is get the adc~ to turn on. Do I need to put the fripp~ object in a certain folder that max will look in? I should probably spend more time fiddling before going on this forum, but i just thought i'd ask.

thx