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Hi all, I'm wanting to use Max in a different Mac user account than my normal account. The main patch for gigs will autostart and I'll control everything from the MIDI keyboard. The patch works fine in my normal account but not in the other one, so I'm thinking there's probably something I haven't set up - a driver? A setting somewhere...? (EDIT: I'm not sure it's technically a crash; it just freezes, requiring a Force Quit.)

... plus a MIDI keyboard and another synth plugged into the MIDI interface, and a mike and the 2 synths plugged into the audio interface.

In case it's relevant here's the patch so far:

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The equipment I'm using is...
- Max 7.3.5
- MOTU micro lite MIDI interface
- MOTU UltraLite mk3 audio interface
- Roland Integra 7 via USB
... plus a MIDI keyboard and another synth plugged into the MIDI interface, and a mike and the 2 synths plugged into the audio interface.

In case it's relevant here's the patch so far: 

Hi all, I'm wanting to use Max in a different Mac user account than my normal account. The main patch for gigs will autostart and I'll contr

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OSX will give You problems if anything that has to do with max and Your project

If You make everything local to one user, which also has admin rights,

Maybe the freezes have nothing to do with this, but it's worth to mention.

OSX will give You problems if anything that has to do with max and Your project
is spread on different user accounts.
That's because of user privileges.
If You make everything local to one user, which also has admin rights,
it would be a good starting point.
Maybe the freezes have nothing to do with this, but it's worth to mention.



Ok, thanks. User privileges are one of those things that, to me, sound simple but sometimes go a bit weird on the rare occasions I need to deal with them. I'll see how google and I go, but I may be back with questions.

I'll be glad to help, and please don't hesitate to ask.

I also separate music - live performing system

from the rest, but do it by using trimmed down system on separate partition.

Important thing is to use same user-admin account name on all systems,

so that all internal and external HDs can be used by all accounts.

That works well even if one has several generations of OS.

I'll be glad to help, and please don't hesitate to ask.
I also separate music - live performing system
from the rest, but do it by using trimmed down system on separate partition.
Important thing is to use same user-admin account name on all systems,
so that all internal and external HDs can be used by all accounts.
That works well even if one has several generations  of OS.


Well, if your approach is reliable I'll be VERY interested in it... after I survive this Saturday's gig! :-)

So you have a couple of partitions, each with its own system, and you choose which startup disk to use depending on whether you're doing a live performance or not...?

Yes, but it is a bit more complicated ...

I keep internal HD of my MacBooks at oldest possible

I use 10.6.8 really trimmed down for Live Performance.

Next is a bit larger 10.6.8 system for music production,

10.8.5 also trimmed down for mail, internet, graphics ,

10.11.6 for from time to time excursion if I need some

app that otherwise would not run on older OS.

On all of them spotlight, timemachine, all social shit,

all iAPPs, unneeded services etc are removed.

And one Big Partition for all Apps that can be shared

In addition I use external HDs with various systems

for testing etc ,including Windows 8 & 10.

Such setup allows me to be flexible when travelling.

Cloning - restoring such OS takes just few minutes.

I can start my live system off 10 gb SD card

Than there is a Hackintosh ... that is another long setup story...

Yes, but it is a bit more complicated ...
I keep internal HD of my MacBooks at oldest possible
OS.
I use 10.6.8 really trimmed down for Live Performance.
Next is a bit larger 10.6.8 system for music production,
max programming etc
10.8.5 also trimmed down for mail, internet, graphics ,
10.11.6 for from time to time excursion if I need some
app that otherwise would not run on older OS.
On all of them spotlight, timemachine, all social shit,
all iAPPs, unneeded services etc are removed.
No sleepimage, no logging of any kind.
And one Big Partition for all Apps that can be shared
 Samples, big plugins & data.
In addition I use external HDs with various systems
for testing etc ,including Windows 8 & 10.
Such setup allows me to be flexible when travelling.
the 4 systems mentioned above use 20 gb
for 10.6, 30 GB for 10.8 & 10.11 each .
And there is a plenty of space left.
Cloning - restoring such OS takes just few minutes.
I can start my live system off 10 gb SD card
even if HD dies.
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Than there is a Hackintosh ... that is another long setup story...


Ahh... right. So, a BIG bit more complicated! :-) After figuring out more precisely what I need to ask I'll - as Arnold Schwarzenegger famously said - be back.

(Many many distractions later...) Your last post triggered quite a bit of thought, investigation and consideration of possibilities. Apple are becoming even more annoying and expensive, a friend wants to help with a Hackintosh, etc. etc. So I'll need to really think about what's best to do.

(1) my 2012 Mac mini for day-to-day stuff (including Logic and Max) with slightly stripped-down 10.11.6 (which is required for Max 8)

(2) a rack-mounted (or even a NUC) Win10 PC or 10.11.6 Hackintosh for gigs using only Max, and stripped right down.

I'll need help with that, and some time and effort, so for the next gig (the last one for a while) I'll just use my normal single partition and single account again.

BTW, you must be doing some really interesting stuff with a setup like that!

I may end up with...
(1) my 2012 Mac mini for day-to-day stuff (including Logic and Max) with slightly stripped-down 10.11.6 (which is required for Max 8)
(2) a rack-mounted (or even a NUC) Win10 PC or 10.11.6 Hackintosh for gigs using only Max, and stripped right down.

I think it all depends what Your future plans for stage setup are.

I have frozen my Live gear 8 Years ago, and use 2 MacBook Pro's

from 2008 for that, which can do the job with ease.

If that would change, and more CPU would be needed, I would replace them

BUT - I allways carry 2 of them to Concerts.

There I would go for hackintosh tower that has the power

Good trimmed win 8 Laptop for live use would be just fine,

I think it all depends what Your future plans for stage setup are.
I have frozen my Live gear 8 Years ago, and use  2 MacBook Pro's
from 2008 for that, which can do the job with ease.

If that would change, and more CPU would be needed, I would replace them
with 2011 of 2012 i7 models.
BUT - I allways carry 2 of them to Concerts.
One must have a backup system.

At home, all can be taken easily.
There I would go for hackintosh tower that has the power
for anything.

Good trimmed win 8 Laptop for live use would be just fine,
but I just prefer MacBooks...
And one can get them cheap secondhand


Yeah, future plans require more thought, don't they? Don't want to paint myself into a corner, especially with a limited budget and Apple's war on upgradeability. I'm toying with using Jitter visuals responding to MIDI - that's the future plan that'll affect computer requirements the most.

It's really interesting to see that you're getting great use out of what the more rabid fanboys think of as antiques. Good on you!

Re a Hackintosh: is it easier when using a trimmed down OS? And would you trust one for live use (as long as you had backup)?

If You decide for non Apple hardware for live use, trimmed down

Windows OS is just as good and easier to setup than

For really good Hackintosh, one has to use compatible hardware,

and in case of laptops, it is allways one or another little

On desktop side, one can choose every component

For me, live computer means it sits in a drawer

I have clients which go on stage with pentium 4

Laptops and Win Xp, and hardware still works

The oldest one still in use is Powerbook 5300, taken apart

and rebuilt as a floor pedal in aluminium case

Serves as Live Looping machine without keyboard or mouse,

just 5 switches for Record, Overdub, Multiply

If You decide for non Apple hardware for live use, trimmed down
Windows OS is just as good and easier to setup than
to try to install Hackintosh.
For really good Hackintosh, one has to use compatible hardware,
and in case of laptops, it is allways one or another little
thing that does not work.
On desktop side, one can choose every component
CPU, mainboard etc.

For me, live computer means it sits in a drawer
and gets used only on stage.
I have clients which  go on stage with pentium 4
Laptops and Win Xp, and hardware still works
like a charm.
The oldest one still in use is Powerbook 5300, taken apart
and rebuilt as a floor pedal in aluminium case
and plexiglas cover.
Serves as Live Looping machine without keyboard or mouse,
just 5 switches for Record, Overdub, Multiply
etc.
That is machine from 1996.


Patcher crashes Max in one Mac user account but not in other one. What am I missing?