Piano and live electronics

Piotr's icon

Hello,

I'm working on project with piano and live electronics. I would like to use 2 or 3 microphones for piano to divide piano scale for 2 or 3 independent zones. For example the lowest 2 octaves, next 3 octaves and the rest of highest keys. Are in Max some objects which are able to register only sound from some compartments of pitches? I would like to use different effects for different zones. What type of microphones is the best for this project? Dynamic? I would be very thankful for help.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you soon.

Warm regards,
Piotr

Andrew's icon

I'm not an expert, but I would think you'd want some sort of directional mic to help cut down on the extraneous sound you have to contend with. I know my dynamic mic is somewhat directional.

If I understand you right, I think I've done this sort of segmenting inside of Ableton. I used filters to remove the sound outside of the range I wanted it to apply to, combined with gates and such to trigger the effects to run. There was a difficulty though, because when I was playing a low octave for example, and it triggered the low octave effects, I ended up wanting the effects applied to the whole spectrum, because otherwise it sounded weird with the overtones filtered out.

So, I think you might need two lanes, one of those lanes will be warped in whatever way you need to handle the controls, then the other lane will be the sound that will actually be controlled (not sure if you want the piano sound itself). Maybe checkout fiddle~. I believe you could use it for the control lane to detect the pitches, though I just found it recently so I'm not sure if it'll be accurate enough on it's own or if you'll need to manipulate the control lane sound in preparation using filters etc. in MSP. But, I believe this will give you midi note data, which seems to be ideal for segmenting the key range into zones.

You may even be able to get away without multiple mics, since you can just filter the frequency range anyway in the control lane.

Source Audio's icon

This is newer going to work reliably.
If You want that kind of effect the only way is to use Midi Keyboard, split notes
to different midi channels / samplers and then appy what You want.
Multiple Mic separation/ Midi detection on a real Piano can't work reliably even under perfect conditions
and very low amplification level.

Andrew's icon

I should note that the project I mentioned indeed did not detect correctly 100% of the time. But it was only controlling effects not pitches and with the kind of music I was playing I didn't mind it sometimes glitching to the 'wrong' effect.