Here's how to do it with [rate~]. I also added a version without [rate~].

Dave mate thanks a million. It shows how much I know, the non-rate version is more appealing and straightforward!

On reflection (and apologies for wasting your time), it looks like I'll be forced to take the gen~ route after all; for various reasons, which all of my recent posts disclose - phase modulation and phase-offsetting. I owe this forum a MAJOR project/tool to compensate for everyone's indulgence, and very soon I'll have "yafg" for everyone to enjoy....

But your patch will give me a good fall back position:) Thanks again Brendan

Well, the rate~ object has the sync lock message, which is an advantage. You want to alter the phasor ramp to drive a granulator, right? I'm curious what you will come up with.

I've been working away at this for some time now, with limited DSPaudio chops, harassing the f*ck out of the forum, and essentially I'm trying to realize a granular playback/synthesis tool, a stripped-back but different version of Robert Henke's granulator. No FM or filters, but with added phase-modulation, interonset control and a little stereo allpass filtering. I want to minimize the metallic AM formants we get from really small grains.The best results so far involve 4 overlapping windows with phase modulation around 0.25 and 0.75 offset, 0. and 0.5 being fixed. I currently have several patches all which have one good thing and one bad thing - mainly a result of timing conflicts generating either spikes or unexpected pitch variations.

I'm getting there......

thanks again, now to roll up my sleeves and assume the gen~ position, Brendan

perhaps you can offer some gen skills:

Brendan

double post? guilty.

mitigating circumstances? yes, complete and utter frustration.

I can't help you with that. I have never used gen~. I should start sometime though.

me neither mate LOL, that's why I'm in this mess!

Cheers Brendan