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Ben Bracken

, a new add-on patching environment for Max built for exporting code that sounds like Max. While RNBO will look and feel very familiar to you as a Max user, the patches you build in RNBO are being compiled to code that is loaded into Max and run as you go. This same generated code can be exported using the export sidebar to several ready-to-use targets - Raspberry Pi, Web Export (WASM/WebAudio), VST or AudioUnit Plugin, and Max Object. You can also export efficient, generated C++ code that is self-contained and can be used to integrate a RNBO sound engine into other projects.

 to see all the things that RNBO can do and how to get started.

We've just released Max 8.5 to support the RNBO add-on, which you can download here:

https://cycling74.com/forums?category=RNBO

We can’t wait to see what you make with RNBO!

Today we are launching RNBO, a new add-on patching environment for Max built for exporting code that sounds like Max. 

rnbo-1-0-now-available-bundled-with-max-8-5

It is so brilliant that it is almost unbelievable.

I have to pay $ 299 (excl. tax) for a crossgrade...

Creative prototyping just gained multiple levels. This makes investing in learning Max even more worth it.

The RNBO package is "bundled" with the Max 8.5 installer, though it is a paid add-on. RNBO has a 

The language in the marketing was a confusing to me too, Ben. I see that the RNBO page has been updated and it's definitely MUCH clearer now. But yeah, I get that from a marketing perspective the focus would be on how cool the product is (and it is definitely very cool) and what its features are rather than the fact that it costs money, but especially with a product like Max that gets major features added within version cycles, it would be a good idea to continue to make it very clear that RNBO is a separate product within the Max "ecosystem" and not a new feature of Max 8.

RNBO patchers have a presentation mode. Is there a way to include that pres mode in a plugin export instead of the generic slider UI? Forgive me, I have had only a cursory look and quick play with it so far; I may be overlooking something obvious.

It’s pretty rare for any new technology to significantly change my daily life but I think that just happened. Thanks

I don't understand the pricing at all. An hour or two ago the crossgrade price was $ 200 and now it's $ 299... (excluding $ 60 tax).

@Ʀivanni, we had a bug with our shop where the RNBO add-on price for crossgrade licenses was listed incorrectly, apologies! 

The price for a permanent RNBO license is $299. This price is the same whether you add RNBO to a crossgrade license, or to a normal permanent Max license. Only Max is discounted with a crossgrade license.

LMAO. I just sent an e-mail to Cycling '74 five minutes ago asking if the $200 price would be sticking around for a while or if it was a limited-time thing. I guess it was was limited-time. I wonder if the $200 price was a mistake or if the fact that it's no longer $200 is the mistake.

Which objects from Max will be in RNBO, is there a list?

You can find the list of objects and operators here:

This is very cool! In the absence of .coll or .dict objects, what would be the best way to store data?

I realize this is version 1.00, so don't get me wrong, I'm super excited and grateful. I'm still just figuring out what's possible for porting some projects.

@OSCILLATEDSPACE For simple list storage (for the time being) we have 

 , or if you want just index / single value pairs, maybe 

$359. obvi this isn’t aimed at personal users but at businesses

It looks amazing!! what a wonderful surprise!!!

Where can i find information about the licensing for code generated by RNBO? What is the privacy policy for the code processed by the cloud servers?

https://support.cycling74.com/hc/en-us/articles/10730637742483-RNBO-Export-Licensing-FAQ

@cupcake for more information on the privacy policy on the Cloud Compiler, please see the EULA clicked through on installation as well as https://cycling74.com/privacy-policy.

looks cool, it could be argued that that tool had been waited for for a long time by the Max community, but indeed it is very expensive and seems to be aimed at business owners, not humble Max hobbyists or even artists.

Sorry Cycling 74, but I think you've used some very duplicitous marketing with this one. I'm sure I wont be the only one who was given the impression that RNBO was an additional feature in the new update. There isn't even a mention mention of it being a separate paid for product on its dedicated page and its not mentioned in the videos I have watched either.

It's a cool looking feature but the way it's being presented sucks and the price is way too high, especially in this financial climate. No thanks.

As a choice, one can trash RNBO out of packages and enjoy Max without it.

But for me too, it is a bit undefined, mentioning "included" RNBO as if it were a free package.

I don't care really much, just it is annoying to have a package included in the App, but you can't really use it without buying it first.

Like if my trip to a local pub would be with included 2nd pint of beer, in case I buy myself 1st one.. but actually I still have to pay for the 2nd one.

One would actually expect Max 8.4 with fixed bugs,

which are quite a few, with added support for

RNBO package if one buys and downloads it.

Reminds me a bit on the time when jitter was first introduced

I don't mind if pricing is whatever it is, as long as I have a choice to buy that 2nd beer or not.

Very disappointed of your marketing and the price tag (almost 380€ is insane). Code licensing is also dubious. Also that there is no crossgrade for existing customers is unbelievable. I hope the gen~ export to C++ & JUCE functions will not suffer and will continue to be supported.

Thank you for a very interesting presentation, C74.

Are there any plans afoot to add jitter, may we know, and if so, how far away would it be?

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@David Meyer There are no differences in license terms between Gen and RNBO Code Export. The code exported by RNBO and Gen both use the 

Cycling '74 License for Max-Generated Code for Export

I have a more constructive question. If you have a permanent license of Max, is it not possible to buy RNBO by subscription?

@DAVID MEYER We don't currently offer RNBO subscriptions for full Max licenses. The following is an article that covers the basics of RNBO purchases:

https://support.cycling74.com/hc/en-us/articles/10542305345043-Purchasing-RNBO

RNBO looks really great, but I have to say the marketing side of the rollout is being handled, IMHO, very poorly. It makes no sense to me, for example, that as someone who has purchased Ableton Live Suite and full Max for full ticket prices (a lot of cash!), I can't get the RNBO add on at academic rate now that I am back in school, or try it out a subscription add on rate. (To clarify, I understand that I can't do these things - I'm saying that decision makes me feel quite poorly treated as a customer and is, in my humble opinion, some poor pricing strategy that will not help uptake.)

Product looks very cool though! pity about the first impressions. :-/

It seems to me that someone wants to charge for a short update or a pack twice for a product that has already been purchased.

If it had been correctly implemented it would have been interesting a few years ago, today it is very common (anyone finds exciting frameworks that can export on all kinds of platforms and without contracts and tricky licenses).

@IAIN DUNCAN If you are currently a student or a teacher and would qualify for academic pricing, please drop a note to support@cycling74.com.

So I want to make sure I understand…RNBO can be used to create VST plugins and if I want to be able to do that I have to pay $299 for the product. Further, cycling74 is the “author” of that created plugin?

RNBO 1.0 now available