a comma in a message box will separate messages. The 0 is an integer. What an integer, sent to groove~, does, is explained in the reference (converted to float) and what a float does is explained in the help file and in the reference... You tried the correct thing with putting in a different number, but I doubt that you can hear the difference of 5 ms... Almost all timings in MSP are defined as ms...

Stefan

As stefantiedje says, it is there in the helpfile, though your comma in the message confused you. Here's a quick patch describing what the integer to [groove~] left inlet is doing:

Brendan

it's in the help file it's in the help file it's in the help file it's in the help file it's in the help file it's in the help file it's in the help file it's in the help file

Okay yeah, but clearly my problem is that I didn't understand the help file correctly. Not that i am unaware of its existence.

These 2 seemingly incongruous facts are what threw me off:

integers are converted to floats timings in are defined as ms

If you are measuring small rocks in centimeters you want to use floating point numbers to get meaningful precision. If you are measuring things in millimeters you might be okay with integers, unless you work for NASA.

The idea that groove converts integers to floats *and* still is in ms is unintuitive to me. So as stefantiedje pointed out my attempts to grok the behavior by changing the integers fed to groove led only to further confusion.

Whatever. I am dumb. I usually use play~ & sfplay~ so groove is odd to me.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. It confirms that we are all insane (or that my intuition is as reliable as mail service in Italy).

Haha.

-kp--

This also incidentally explains why playing reverse doesn't always work in my patch... likely i need to bang info~ and get the end time and use a [t i -1 ] and send that to groove to make sure it starts playing from the end of the file... or some such. Sending 0 and -1 would yield a playback length of 0.

will try.

thanks!

yes, [groove~] is, at times, if not odd, then certainly a little un-intuitive in this respect; there was a recent thread here that went into more detail about [groove~]'s play-speed/direction.

Forgive me for just 'scanning' your original post, rather than digging for the deeper meaning, anyway....

Brendan

no not all. i meant my response to be self mocking & light hearted. I am always grateful when people take the time to respond.

cheers~

-kp--

ps. to play backwards you send sig a negative #.... I am trying to make a reverse flag which would just take my speed and just make it - So far my strategy is to always make a negative number and then use [abs 0.] to flip it positive. There must be some better way to do flip a number negative no?

thanks again.

This seems to work. With some minor concerns that in rare cases we could get numbers out of the range 0-1 w/ random 100000 * 0.00001. Also i suppose 0 is a possibility.... I suppose I should tweak this so that >. 1 doesn't come about though this is all really jus to test the main envent which is:

abs 0. * -1. to flip a number 0. to 1. neg.

meh.

I went to public school.