SHALL I USE MAX/MSP?


    Jun 06 2006 | 9:23 pm
    Hello,
    I'm a graphic design student, and my final project is to visualize the sound in Thai poetry using LED light as a medium.
    The result is going to be like when you listen to the verse but you will see the sound(light) rather than hear it.
    There is 66 of LEDs appears one by one (each one represents one sound) until the end of the verse. Therefore, in my case, if I want to control the lighting circuit from the computer, do you think max/msp is the right software for me?
    And, if yes, do I need any hardware to connect computer and the circuit?
    Thank you very much.

    • Jun 06 2006 | 10:46 pm
    • Jun 07 2006 | 10:11 am
      Hello,
      Is there a way to make the place for assistance text line longer
      (bottom bar area for description of inlet and outlet). A beat more
      place would help me sometimes to find my pathway when i give a comment
      that i don't succeed to synthetise with four words.
      Franck
    • Jun 07 2006 | 11:28 am
      On 7-Jun-2006, at 12:11, Franck Beaubois wrote:
      > Is there a way to make the place for assistance text line longer
      The status bar grows/shrinks with horizontal window size, so making
      the window wider may help.
      However, externals written in C have a maximum string length of 64
      chars and I think that limit applies also to mxj, javascript, and
      abstractions.
      Hope this helps -- P.
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    • Jun 07 2006 | 12:49 pm
      Thank you very much PC, Your answer is very helpful.
    • Jun 07 2006 | 1:46 pm
      Not an easy task, but as Thai is a tonal language, at
      least you might be able to use the pitch information
      for something; you can use fiddle~ or one of Trstan
      Jehan's objects for this - see www.maxobjects.com.
      cheers
      Roger
    • Jun 07 2006 | 9:42 pm
      Thanks Peter for those precisions, i will try to be shorter :-)
      Franck
    • Jun 08 2006 | 4:21 am
      i've studied some chinese and while it is true that tonal languages follow a pitch pattern, the one you learn in grammar books is very simplified.
      It's not like a musical melody. it's combined with intonation and relative pitch related to former phonemes, add some timbral changes and a big bunch of randomness.
      been reading a book about it and well, it seems like hell to me to get anything non-random out of it by analysis.
      anything more appropriate than pitch analysis of a non-tonal language at least.
      ok, maybe you weren't witing for that, but im posting anyway : )
    • Jun 10 2006 | 3:32 pm
      Since I'm very new to this software, I don't want to make the result out of my control, therefore, If I just want to control(turn on/off) the 66 separate LEDS in a certain time, do you think it's possible for a beginner like me to finish it by the end of this month. Moreover, about the sensor interface, i've found the 3 potential boards to connect my computer and the LEDs. Those are;
      TELEO http://makingthings.com/
      Phidgets http://www.phidgets.com/ , and
      But i still don't quite understand how does it work about the digital output, they all have not enough digital output for my 66 separate LEDs, my question is, do I need 1 digital output per 1 LED, or do I need just 1 digital output to connect the whole LEDs circuit?
      Thank you
    • Jun 10 2006 | 4:04 pm
      It seems that there are a growing number of physical computing questions on
      this list (awesome). Anyway there are some great resources for pcomp here:
      Phys Comp Home page: http://stage.itp.nyu.edu/physcomp
      Kool, depending on how quickly you pick up breadboarding/soldering and
      programming microcontrollers, you could be switching on and off 66 separate
      LEDs from Max, by the end of next week (about 40-50 hours of research, and
      production).
      You would need 18 digital pins to control 66 separate LEDs.
      16 of them could cover 64 LEDs when configured in a row collumn scan:
      8 digital pins emit voltage or not, and 8 digital pins would sink voltage or
      not. The remaining two pins would be used for the two LEDs that did not get
      addressed in the array.
      This assumes you are building the LED circuit. If you have a serial
      controlled LED display than you may not need all those digital i/o
    • Jun 10 2006 | 4:35 pm
      You will definitely need more than one digital output, but not
      necessarily 66! One possibility is to arrange the LEDs in a matrix -
      this way you need only enough outputs for the total number of rows
      and columns in the matrix. Unfortunately 66 is just above a
      convenient size matrix (8 x 8 = 64), so you would need an 8 x 9
      matrix, which will require 17 digital outputs, but it's better than 66.
      Essentially what you do is drive each row low in rapid sequence,
      while driving high the columns that need to be on in that row - the
      output just keeps cycling round continually. One approach to this
      might be to use a coll. If you use line index as the row reference
      and store the column data in the coll for each row, you can devise an
      output routine that simply reads the coll row-by-row continuously.
      When you want to change the state of one LED you simply write new
      data into the appropriate row index of the coll.
      A lot of interfaces have a mix of analogue and digital inputs and
      outputs - look for one that has enough digital outputs and not much
      stuff that you won't need. Teleo have a 12 digital output module, so
      you would need two of those at USD149 each. Phidgets only do a mixed
      module. I can't get the Arduino site to respond and I can't remember
      the exact spec of their unit - but they are very cheap, so that is
      worth looking at.
      Best
      L
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    • Jun 10 2006 | 5:06 pm
      This is a "physical computing" issue.
      You should ask to http://stage.itp.nyu.edu/physcomp
      They have a mailling list.
      But I can help you:
      You need to multiplex your outputs!
      Another way is using a LED driver like the MAX6955. Needs only two outputs
      of your microcontroler to manage it (serial i2c communication):
      You can make a LED matrix too! THis way, with 16 output pins, you can
      drive 64 LEDs. 17 outputs give you 72 LEDs. It's difficult to explain by
      text without picture... I'll try:
      -8 pins are columns, 8 pins are rows.
      -8 columns X 8 rows = 64 intersections.
      -I plug a LED at each intersections, negative pin pluged to the row,
      positive pin pluged to column.
      -SO, if my column#2 pin is positive and my row#3 is negative, it lights
      LED#18 (intersection of column2 and row3).
      -If you want to light several LEDs at the same time: Just open and close
      each LED in sequence very very fast (less than 5milliseconds). Similar to
      the "cinema illusion", your retina won't see the sequence. You will see
      the LED lightened simultaneously.
      If this seems too complex for you, well it is normal if you never made any
      electronic circuits and microcontroler programming! You won't be able to
      learn and make your project in 1 month I guess. Unless you're a good
      autodidact and already know a programming langage! Meaby you'll need to
      hire a guy like me... :-) But if you try by yourself, you'll see when all
      info is collected, it's a really easy task. Look for tutorials abut LED
      matrix. There's alot of BAsic Stamp related tutorials on the internet.
      Basic stamp is perfect for the beginner and they have a mac compiler. Easy
      Basic langage for programming and a lot of ressources for newbies and
      autodidacts. If you continue to play with microcontrolers in the future,
      meaby you'll need a better and "professionnal" microcontroler.... But for
      beginning, i highly recommend Basic Stamps (look to Stamp Stacks at
      Hvwtech.com).
      TELEO and PHIDGET are not microcontrolers. You cannot download a program
      into them. But they are really MAX-friendly! If it's possible to make a
      8x9 LED matrix with it, well I definitively suggest you to use TELEO! It's
      the simplest way. But I don't think you can make the "matrix tactic" with
      a TELEO... Anybody can answer that? But I know you cannot manage a LED
      driver such as the MAX6955 with TELEO or Phidget.
      I know TELEO is modular, wich means you can plug several output switch
      modules until you got 66 switches. I never used TELEO, my advice could be
      wrong.
      Never forget to put a resistor in series with each LED, unless it'll burn!
      Good luck!
      pc
    • Jun 11 2006 | 6:52 pm
      definelty, because there is no other program where
      you have such a wide range of volatge and dmx-controllers
      available which have been tested with or even been built
      for use with MAX.
      there are student licenses and a superb user forum, too.
      -110
    • Jun 11 2006 | 11:47 pm
      Thank you for all replies, They are absolutely helpful. Now i know where to go. Wish you guys have a great works.
      Cheers,