stereo pan /panning stereo input


    Nov 16 2005 | 6:35 pm
    Hi everyone,
    I'm trying to figure out how to pan a stereo signal. Most of the examples in the manual/tutorials, included examples and 3rd party objects take a mono signal, then create a virtual stereo image and pan. what i'm trying to do is take a stereo input and pan the stereo signal. i know i need to use two separate constant power pans (one for each signal...i'm thinking of using nathan wolek's cppan~) so that at the center position, L would be 0 and R would be 1; at hard right, L would be 1 and R would be 1 and at hard left, L would be 0 and R would be 0. I want to use a master slider to control the values of both cppan~ objects. What I'm having problems figuring out is, as you pan from hard right to hard left, the L value would decrease 0 to 1 and the R value would stay at 1, as the master slider reaches center position. As the master slider passes from center in the the left side, however, the R value would move from 1 to 0 while the L would stay at 0. I guess what I can't figure out is how to use a master slider to control both values, but scaled in such a way as I described. (The biggest problem I'm having is how to have the L value be at 0 and the R value at 1 when the main slider is at center position.) Can anyone help me figure this out? Thanks for your help!
    -Corey
    P.S. I am aware of the discussion below, but can't figure out how to implement what lawrence describes, using the split object.
    Re: [max-msp] stereo pan knob
    This message: [ Message body ] [ More options ] Related messages: [ Next message ] [ Previous message ] [ In reply to ] [ Next in thread ] [ Replies ] From: lawrence casserley Date: 04/23/04 Message-Id: Hi
    this sounds to me like twoconstant power pans, one for each signal. For the first half of the pan you are panning the right input from left to right outlut; for the second half you are panning the left input from left to right output. Use the 'split' object to divide your control into two halves.
    Best
    Lawrence
    On 22 Apr, 2004, at 21:33, C Paul Johnson wrote:
    > What I was > trying to get at is this: I have a stereo signal... When it's panned > all the > way to the left, I want to have both signals panned all the way left. > So > that means that they have to add together. Vice versa for the right > side. > When it's panned center I want left on the left and right on the right.
    Lawrence Casserley - lawrence@lcasserley.co.uk Lawrence Electronic Operations - www.lcasserley.co.uk Colourscape Music Festivals - www.colourscape.org.uk
    Received on Fri Apr 23 10:16:40 2004

    • Nov 16 2005 | 10:46 pm
      Cory-
      There you go.
    • Nov 16 2005 | 11:14 pm
      Mzed,
      Thanks so much! I understand now. I always forget about the power of those pesky trigger objects.
      Thanks again!
      -Corey
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    • Nov 17 2005 | 2:28 am
    • Nov 17 2005 | 2:42 am
      It's funny you mention this, because I just learned how to do this today in my max/msp class at school. To do it, just use this handy little patch I made. Just make a patcher or abstraction of this little patch. Then put the signal in one side, and a value between 0 and 1 in the other. 0 would be hard left and 1 hard right. Thats all there is to it!
      Brett(ordrochaotic)
    • Nov 17 2005 | 2:57 am
      Sorry about that, I actually messed that up. Patch cord in the wrong place. This one works though. I connected the patch cords wrong. The idea though is that a signal is between 0 and 1. when multiplied by zero, it is zero and by 1 is 1. If at the same time though for the other channel you are doing the opposite when one it at 1, the other is at zero and vice verca and anywhere in between. Just copy this one into a patcher and look inside. It's not to hard to figure out whats goin on. Hope this helped.
      Brett(ordrochaotic)
    • Nov 17 2005 | 8:35 am
      I don't think this is what you are looking for but I seldom post so I thought it was time -- here is another patch for panning a mono signal to stereo. With a few mods it could control the pan of a stereo signal, and if you feel really lazy you can use it to control the amplitudes of the left and right channels of a stereo signal (not really panning if it is already a stereo signal).
      This one works with a little help from grade ten math (trig).
      hope it helps,
      Michael
    • Nov 17 2005 | 11:50 am
      On 17 nov. 05, at 03:57, FayeVictus1@aol.com wrote:
      > It's funny you mention this, because I just learned how to do this > today in my max/msp class at school.
      Hi,
      maybe you haven't pay enough attention to you course :-) With your solution, you'll multiply by a negative number, then you'll have an oposite phase. Using [!- 1.] instead of [- 1.] will solve the problem. Don't forget you'll have clicks because you're changing the multiplying factor by "big" steps. You'll need a [line~] object, for example, to avoid this.
      ej
    • Nov 17 2005 | 4:39 pm
      There are two problems with your solution: The first, it would inverse the phase of the right channel, solution: use [!- 1] instead of [- 1].
      The other, you get a drop of 6 dB at the center. Solution: look at the examples... ;-)
      Stefan
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    • Nov 18 2005 | 7:54 am
      Thank you everyone for your help and insight. Along with the example sent in my mzed, below is what I was trying to accomplish. Thanks Lawrence and to everyone else who contributed ideas.
      Cheers,
      corey
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    • Mar 13 2006 | 9:27 pm
      hi,
      i'm looking for a way to do the opposite (well kind off). making a quadrapfonic signal mono. so i can switch between them with a slider. what would be a way to do this? everything needs to be equalpower so you won't notice a gap or sudden amplification in the sound that is produced.
      p.
      -- poul holleman student composition & musictechnology HKU, netherlands email: pholleman@gmail.com
    • Mar 13 2006 | 10:08 pm
      Hi
      Here a simple solution with 3 tap.crossfade~ (TapTools required) to mix 4 sources to 1 output. Is it what you're looking for?
      Mathieu Chamagne www.maxobjects.com
    • Mar 14 2006 | 1:24 am
      or with the standard matrix~ object:
    • Mar 14 2006 | 8:04 am
      ...not to forget luigi castellis quadxfade~ external. see www.maxobjects.com hans
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    • Mar 15 2006 | 10:14 am
      thanks for replying but both are not what i ment. what i'm trying to make is an effect that kan switch a quadrasignal, so four independant signals, to a mono signal, four equal signals in this case, and back again. i want to control this with a slider so you can slightly turn it to mono.
      so i need a patch kinda like this:
      ----------------------------- 4 signal inputs | | | |
      slider: 0 = mono ... 64 = somewhere between full quadro and mono ... 127 = full quadro
      4 signal outputs | | | | ------------------------------
      it's like turning the two panknobs on a mixer of a stereosignal from the middle to the left at one channel and from the middle to the right at the other at the same time. (switching between mono and stereo)
      grt / poul
      -- poul holleman student composition & musictechnology HKU, netherlands email: pholleman@gmail.com
    • Mar 15 2006 | 12:19 pm
      If you can imagine how to do what you want to do with a mixer, then you can often do it the same way in Max. Similar logic is involved.
      If you want four independent channels to be capable of fading into four identical channels (all channels mixed to all outputs), then create your four inputs. Two signal paths come from each. The first to a [*~] and then to the corresponding output. The second to a [*~] which is shared between all four inputs, the output of which goes to all four outputs. Your fader will control whatever pan law you decide to implement between the four-vs-one [*~] serving as amplitude controls; fade one way favors the four and fade the other favors the one.
      ...I think. It's really late.
    • Mar 15 2006 | 2:51 pm
      yes indeed, i'm aware of that. but how to get it all equal power?
      -- poul holleman student composition & musictechnology HKU, netherlands email: pholleman@gmail.com
    • Mar 16 2006 | 6:50 pm
      like this ?
    • Mar 16 2006 | 6:58 pm
      sorry ... like this :9
    • Mar 17 2006 | 1:20 pm
      yes, this could be it. thanks! i dont have a quadraphonic setup at home but i quess im able to test it next week. there is a dc offset at signal 2 and 3 though.. but its a nice trick with the cycle~ object. does this work about the same as using sqrt for creating equal power?
      poul
      -- poul holleman student composition & musictechnology HKU, netherlands email: pholleman@gmail.com