strange clip observer

    11olsen
    Oct 06 2010 | 5:09 pm
    i'm creating a midi clip sequencer and i don't understand the logic behind the behavior of a live.observer observing a midi clip.
    it sends a bang if any note changes in the clip e.g. you move a note with the mouse.
    the strangeness: it detects a change if i just select a note (click on it)
    although this isn't really a change to the clip.
    i thought maybe it's meant to work this way, but if i select a note or notes with a selection rectangle or select a note by clicking on it's velocity bar, the observer doesn't detect a change.
    it should either not detect note selections or detect it in every case.
    what do you think?
    • broc
      Oct 06 2010 | 7:57 pm
      Confirmed here. I think it's a bug.
    • ShelLuser
      Oct 07 2010 | 1:07 am
      I'm one thinking this not to be a bug but behavior by design. Selecting a notes doesn't do anything; it merely allows for a group-behavior by the encapsulating environment, and nothing more.
      From the reference page its made quite clear that an observer listens for *changes*. In what way is selecting stuff a change?
    • broc
      Oct 07 2010 | 9:30 am
      The reference page says
      “Observer sends bang when notelist changes"
      But selecting a note doesn't change the notelist, i.e. the number or properties of notes.
      So the actual behavior is incorrect (and makes no sense in practice).
    • 11olsen
      Oct 07 2010 | 6:38 pm
      finally someone confirms it, thanks.
      @shelluser: i don't understand your reply. "in what way is selecting stuff a change?" thats the question for me too.
      thats why it feels senseless that the clip observer bangs out if you select a note. (aside from the other illogical things)
    • ShelLuser
      Oct 08 2010 | 8:39 pm
      Clicking on a midi clip will also change the insert marker position. So there is definitely a change occurring in the clip.
    • 11olsen
      Oct 08 2010 | 9:24 pm
      yeah, but why isn't it banging when i just set the insert marker somewhere,
      only if you click on a note. you know, i like well-defined behavior.
      i don't understand why your desperately trying to defend it. wouldn't you agree they have to overthink the way it works. many things are not possible now. what if i want to detect a real change to the clip. i think it's not possible to filter out the bang when just clicking a note.
    • broc
      Oct 09 2010 | 10:12 am
      Defending misbehavior is just a common "fanboy reflex".
    • ShelLuser
      Oct 10 2010 | 3:36 am
      I'm not desperately trying to defend it. I'm only sharing my observations; which at this time were that if you clicked on a note the marker position was set; as such a chance occurred.
      And I'll also go on the record that I wasn't aware (still not at this time, I need to test this myself) that it didn't bang when you put a marker somewhere (I only focused on the marker as of now).
      I will test that since it intrigues me but I won't bother to respond to this thread anymore.
      Yes; when I comes to Live & M4L I do consider myself a fanboy. However, I also think my actions in the past (mostly on the Abes' forum) clearly demonstrated that I'm not acting as one. I'd never "defend" stuff when I think its broke somewhere.
      Considering you two are both active here and "there" my interest in this particular thread is over.